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are they attached at the hip ?
      #213223 - 06/19/08 08:03 PM (216.232.21.170)
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Weird feeling about tonight. My kids are in a play at the daycare. They are both so excited as they have been rehearsing for weeks and many parents will be there tonight. My little one could care less who comes with her dad, she loves being in the spotlight and is not that self-conscious (one of the pluses being 7) but my older child had a meltdown last night. Against her wishes, her dad is bringing not only his girlfriend but also her two kids. She was afraid to say anything more to her dad after she found out because she could tell there wasn't going to be any choice and then put down the phone and went ballistic, sobbing, why mommy, why is daddy doing this when I asked him not to ? She doesn't even want to be in the play but we talked about it and she's more okay now. I don't know, I guess when you're with someone, you want them everywhere with you, but seriously, is it not enough that you spend all your weekends together, do you have to show up at these functions together too ? do the kids' feelings not count in this? What's everybody's experience wiht this ? I guess it'll be okay seeing him there with her and her kids, at my kids' school but it sure feels weird and frankly I don't know why she would want to be there. This co-parenting thing really sucks sometimes.

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Re: are they attached at the hip ? [Re: rdpotter]
      #213549 - 06/20/08 05:46 PM (209.36.244.253)
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Yeah that's messed up. He should not bring his gf and her kids, that's just crass.

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Re: are they attached at the hip ? [Re: rdpotter]
      #213581 - 06/20/08 11:34 PM (66.169.163.142)
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I'm missin' a bit of information here. What's the length of time since you've been separated, if you're not already divorced? I'm not up to date on your situation, so that being the caveat, take my thoughts with a grain of salt...

It might be weird, but it might not. Is the child that is upset about it still hanging onto hopes that mom and dad are going to get back together? If so, then perhaps THAT is the issue that needs to be addressed, not that Dad and the GF and kids are coming to the play.

Next question is why is it a problem for multiple people who care about this child to be there in support of her performance? If it were a first date type of thing, then yeah, the GF shouldn't be there with her kiddos. If they've been involved for a while, then I'm not sure I understand the problem in its entirety.

My dad was married to the poster child for "evil stepmother." He couldn't go anywhere without her. Maybe that's the case here, too; however, the downside to that is that my dad didn't come to some of my events because she wouldn't attend with him. That being said, I'd rather see a woman on my X's arm who genuinely cares about my kid than one who is so jealous of anyone else in the picture (including his kids) that it would hinder him from coming at all.

Please don't take this to sound harsh, but it makes me wonder who has the issue with acceptance here? Is it the child, or is it you? Or are HER perceived issues actually her mirroring how you feel about him and the GF?

No matter what the answers to any of my questions/thoughts on the matter, don't ever discount how your emotional state is reflected in your child's behavior and desires....


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Re: are they attached at the hip ? [Re: rdpotter]
      #213584 - 06/20/08 11:44 PM (24.94.123.111)
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Can you put a positive spin on the situation?
"They expect such a great performance that the kids and her didn't want to miss out..."


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Re: are they attached at the hip ? [Re: rdpotter]
      #213586 - 06/21/08 12:03 AM (75.185.131.248)
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[quote] I guess it'll be okay seeing him there with her and her kids, at my kids' school but it sure feels weird and frankly I don't know why she would want to be there. This co-parenting thing really sucks sometimes. [/quote]

i hope this all turned out okay for the kids,
AND for YOU!
i am NOT looking forward to the first event i have to face and deal with this.

(((hugs)))
this is one "first" no one likes to deal with.
it tends to smart to say the least!

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Re: are they attached at the hip ? [Re: faith4two]
      #213657 - 06/21/08 11:41 AM (75.153.87.202)
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Hi Faith: Hmmm, I see where you are coming from.. I don't know, I never really thought about it that way. My ex and I have been separated for 4 years. The Gf came into the picture 3 years after so no, he didn't leave me for her or anything like that. In fact, I was the one that left emotionally first. My main objection to her being there is that my older daughter had told her dad clearly that she just wants him there. She's very self-conscious and it was a bit of a stretch to be in the play at all. The recurring theme over the last year was she just miss having time with her dad, one on one. She went from having her dad all to herself to having her parents separated to having her dad's GF there every weekend she sees her dad. I know that's the reality for many people and it's nothing horrible but I still think that she should have some say. It's not unreasonable to want some time alone with her dad without the GF. Do I have issues with this ? I don't know, maybe. Eventhough I know that I don't want to be with this man anymore, I was saddened to see him take up with someone else. Do I show this to my kids ? Initially I did, but in the last year, I was the one who stuck up for her when my daughters complained. I know that villainizing either my ex or her will not help the situation. Ultimately, he is their dad. He loves them and they love him so the easier I make the transition from our house to their house, the happier everyone will be. There may be some truth to what you're saying. I haven't really thought about my ex and his GF for months now. The main thing that strucks a chord with me is control. I belive that my ex has significant issues about control and this is reflected in all his relationships. THAT's the problem I have with the most. I don't think you're too harsh. You're just telling it like you see it. Maybe there's some truth to it. I did leave the play with more of a distance and relaxed feeling than I did in a long time. My ex and I are increasingly leading different lives and that's healthy and okay.
I will think about that and see if I can make my attitude more positive so my kids will not have to take on my issues. FYI, the play went fine and both kids had a great time so perhaps it's more of a resistance to more changes than my ex being the selfish tyrant that he is. Sorry, that slipped out. It has been 4 long years of dealing with a very difficult man. thanks to all the people that responded. This forum, as usual, gives me a safe place to vent and hopefully move on.


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Re: are they attached at the hip ? [Re: rdpotter]
      #213670 - 06/21/08 12:50 PM (64.81.150.197)
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I am glad everything is okay and the play went well. Just wanted to give you just a little spin. Do you want your children as part of his life? Do you want them to know who he is? If he was to not bring the kids around his gf and her children, whom are all a part of his life would you not think he was living a different life when around his kids then when not. The kids need to get use to his life now. Just like they do your life. His happens to involve another family.
Someday you or he will may have more kids. He will not get that one on one with them remember his time is court order limited anyway.
I live with my husband and our kids. He does a lot more 1 on 1 with our son then he does with our daughters. I am just the opposite. His 1 on 1 is limited to lunch w/ the girls every valentines week. With our sons it is different he takes him to the movies, sporting events. Their interest are more similar. By the way his daughters are his princesses. AWSOME DAD


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Re: are they attached at the hip ? [Re: rdpotter]
      #213712 - 06/21/08 04:04 PM (205.188.117.143)
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A different prespective...


Could it be that older daughter had a meltdown because she harbors the divorce kid's wish that momma and daddy will get back together? With the introduction of "this woman" that dream is dying a violent death in the girl's mind. Can this be an unknown motive for her anxiety?


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Re: are they attached at the hip ? [Re: rdpotter]
      #213865 - 06/22/08 12:55 PM (66.169.163.142)
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I think you hit the nail on the head - she just wants some one-on-one time with Dad. Next step I think is to coach her on how to speak up with HIM on the matter. Some here might tell you that you should have that conversation with him, but I think it's better and carries more weight if SHE does. There's a book on divorce/custody, can't remember if it's Mom's House/Dad's House or Joint Custody with a Jerk which talks about the problem pyramid, idenfitying who is at the top of the problem pyramid (who HAS the problem) and who needs to address it with whom.

Glad to hear that all went well with the play. :)


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Re: are they attached at the hip ? [Re: faith4two]
      #214106 - 06/23/08 12:22 PM (166.123.208.241)
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[quote]I think you hit the nail on the head - she just wants some one-on-one time with Dad. Next step I think is to coach her on how to speak up with HIM on the matter. Some here might tell you that you should have that conversation with him, but I think it's better and carries more weight if SHE does. There's a book on divorce/custody, can't remember if it's Mom's House/Dad's House or Joint Custody with a Jerk which talks about the problem pyramid, idenfitying who is at the top of the problem pyramid (who HAS the problem) and who needs to address it with whom.

Glad to hear that all went well with the play. :) [/quote]

Joint Custody with a Jerk. :)


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