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sdj1968
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What to tell children............
      #176917 - 02/07/08 11:04 AM (64.65.206.68)
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My wife of seventeen years has decided to leave. We are just putting the final touches on our sep agreement. I have placement of our two children. I have learned during our the end of our marriage and sep process my wife has started a relationship,what a shock. Morally speaking I find this unforgivable concerning both parties. Finally, my question. Do I have a right? Obligation? to speak to my 11yr old daughter about this type of behavior? Can I make her aware of my feelings toward this 'new' boyfriend? Please advise.

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Re: What to tell children............ [Re: sdj1968]
      #176920 - 02/07/08 11:34 AM (64.30.4.162)
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SDJ: In my opinion you should say nothing about your wifes actions. You can't come between your children and their mother. They need the love from you both and your feeling are not theirs, keep those to yourself. You are hurt and you should be, but don't involve your children, it not fair to them.

You have a right to express your beliefs about right and wrong, but I would leave your wife's actions out of it.

Again that my opinion.

Rob / Vermont


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Re: What to tell children............ [Re: sdj1968]
      #176932 - 02/07/08 12:34 PM (67.105.251.245)
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SDJ,
I also struggle with similar feelings. My son is 5 and I know I can't express my feelings about his mom to him. However, I don't want him to be treated like I was or to treat anyone like that. That will be part of my role as a parent. At the end, when he is older, I believe he will understand what happened in my marriage. I won't need to talk to him directly about what his mother did. I will also probably raise a much more resilient person than what I was.
Good luck,
PZS


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Re: What to tell children............ [Re: pzs]
      #176971 - 02/07/08 03:43 PM (66.180.116.13)
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Let your kids make there own dissisions about the other parent. Kids are smarter than we give them credit and they probly all ready know something. You can certanly explain to them what is right and wrong just do not use the other parent to make your example.

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Re: What to tell children............ [Re: chatter box]
      #176975 - 02/07/08 03:54 PM (64.65.206.68)
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Thank you, this is the advice I was looking for. Sometimes in the heat of the moment you may say something you later regret, thats why I had to take a step back and re-analyze. I guess I will just have to find a creative way to explain to my daughter the proper way of acting in a relationship, without her thinking I am using her Mom as an example. Time will tell and heal I guess

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Re: What to tell children............ [Re: sdj1968]
      #177003 - 02/07/08 05:32 PM (68.110.69.37)
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You handle your 11 year old the way you would handle her in any explanation of how you want your daughter to handle relationships. In other words, she's WAAAY too young for you to talk to about her OWN dating habits, so it's not right for you to use her mother as an example of a BAD dating habit.

I've been reading a new book, Divorce Poison, that discusses parental alienation and the ways to combat or avoid it. I've determined that even if alienation does not take place at all, there are going to be times when teh other parent does things that we do not agree with, that we have to confront... it's an issue of teaching the kids how we want the KIDS to behave as they grow & mature, not teaching them that the other parent is behaving improperly.

This book gives you a series of questions to ask yourself before you tell the kid something, which provide a test of whether you're telling the kid for the right reasons or whether you're telling it in the right way or whether you're doing it for a reason or a way that will ultimately hurt the kid (by hurting her relationship with ehr mother or with you, for example).

Someday, when your daughter is old enough to know how you wnat her to handle boyfriends, pre-marital sex, etc... well THEN she might put two & two together and realize that what her mother was doing was wrong. And if she asks you, it would probably be OK to explain that you disagree with her mother.

But until you read the book and figure out WHY you shoudl do it this way, for THIS one, maybe it will help you to understand this... your daughter is too young to understand that her mother is being unfaithful. She is too young to even envision her own mother and father having sex without getting all grossed out over it. But she is perfectly old enough to understand that MOm and Dad each have friends. And it's not wrong for either Mom OR Dad to have friends. At some point, when she puts two and two togehter and realizes that Mom's friend is someone MOM was spending too much time with when mom was still married to dad... well... THEN is the point where she deserves informatino from you that MOm and Dad have a disagreement about what is right in that situation, and YOUR point of view is that married people should NOT have overnights with their special friends until AFTER a divorce and even then, if they're not married to their new friend, they maybe shouldn't have overnights with them either.

A few weeks ago, someone with a 3 year old was upset that the kid was going to visit with a parent who was maybe having an overnight visitor on a regular basis. This forum member wanted informatino on how to get proof of the overnights, if I recall correctly, so that he could show that she was being a bad parent. But this wasn't going to be proof of her being a bad parent.

Knowing that the friend's truck was in the driveway in the morning was not proof that the child would in any way be exposed to the inappropriate affair-like behaviros of their mother. At the age of 3 (or 4, or 5, or 8... however old YOUR child is when they first start REALLY understanding sexuality), the child does not even understand that if Mom or Dad has a friend overnight, that it is any different from when THEY have freinds overnight, They simply don't understand or compute the complicated sexual issues involved in ... well, APPROPRIATE sexuality is not within thier realm of understanding, so they simply don't have the tools needed to understand UNFAITHFUL sexuality.

A very good friend of mine, on teh say he caught his wife with another man, was asked by the kids why he was crying. He told his 9 year old (because Daddy caught mommy kissing another man). This child has never gotten over that. He's 12 and a holy terror now. And he's chosen sides in the divorce. NOT Dad's side. It's odd, but he somehow felt sorry for his Mother that his Dad was angry at her 3 years ago. He didn't understand faithful and unfaithful, he did not understand what kissing probably meant, he just knew that his Dad was angry at his Mom and she was upset and had to leave after that. And the day his Daddy got angry at his mom was the day the family broke up. His brother (older) and sister (younger) have gotten over it, but he is ... well, it's not been good for him.

My friend was trying to give him the inforamtion about infidelity in his own language... thinking he could understand that point. But the kid couldn't. My friend was angry and didn't want the kid to knwo about his mother's infidelity because it woudl help the kid, he just wanted the kid to know about it so that the kid would not be angry at the Dad when the family split up, and it backfired. And as I'm reading the book Divorce Poison, I realize that if my freind had stopped himself and asked these questions about why he was telling the kid this stuff, he'd have not done it at all.

Truly, I'm going to be recommending the thing for a while. It's a GREAT read to help answer questions just like yours.


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Re: What to tell children............ [Re: gigi]
      #177125 - 02/08/08 11:36 AM (64.65.206.68)
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Thank you, although we are not legally separated yet my wife will be taking the children to her new friends house on Sunday(her day with the kids). I think before I read your passage I would have told the kids they were going to meet Moms new boyfriend. But where would that have gotten me? I instead should explain to the kids that they will be meeting a close friend of Moms instead.? Would that be fine? I truly do not want to alienate my children from me, I am new at this and hopefully I can limit my mistakes.

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Re: What to tell children............ [Re: sdj1968]
      #177138 - 02/08/08 01:06 PM (68.110.69.37)
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Also be careful of doing things that might tend to alienate them from their mother! This will be something that the kids may bite on, but everyone watching will be giving you hell for, including the judge... and you could lose time with the kids if the judge thinks you're doing things so that the kids will think thier Mom is doing something wrong.

Yes, telling them that they're going to meet a good friend of thier Mom's is a great idea.

But more importantly, why don't you see what their mother does with this? Let HER make the explanations.

They've not met and you're not separated yet? Have you tried talking to her about how the "experts" (books, therapists, just pick one up and read their answers to this questions) say that it's not good for the kids ot meet the new "friends" too quickly? I mean, you could do all the non-alienating things in the world and she's shooting herself in the foot if... oh, let's say she introduces them to her man before the separation, then you separate, then a year later they get married. OK... all is innocent now because the kids are young enough not to GET the issues involved in sexuality, though they'll be confused about how quickly close family ties can break and re-build... it's not a MORAL issue with her at that point.

Then 3 years from now, they get to understand things like sexuality & infidelity... and they start doing the thing that kids do... they count 9 months back from their birthdate and realize that you & thier mother were married before they were conceived (or not)... they start counting the time that they met step-dad from the time that Mom & Dad separated and realize that step-dad was an actual interloper into their happy pre-divorce family. They'll be FURIOUS at him, and maybe they'll think some nasty things about her also. It will not be good for the new family arrangement when the kids get old enough to put two & two together.

This is not something you can prevent, but at least you don't have to set it up or introduce them to it earlier than necessary!

BUT since they've not met with him yet, why don't you print out this post and show it to her, just say that maybe she might want to give it a little more thought before she introduces her new guy to them... not because of what might happen THIS WEEK... the kids will just think it's all light & easy & Mom's new friend... (we have to hope they'll be appropriate on the first meeting), but because of what might happen next year, or the next... as soon as the kids are old enough to understand, they might very well become furious with her, and you would have no way of fixing it for her... it'd all be on HER.


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Re: What to tell children............ [Re: gigi]
      #177187 - 02/08/08 04:17 PM (64.65.206.68)
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Can you move into my spare bedroom and just give me advice all day, I just called the wife and we both agreed to hold off on meeting the new "freind" for now. Thanks I am glad I joined this forum yesterday it really has helped.

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Re: What to tell children............ [Re: sdj1968]
      #177508 - 02/10/08 06:00 PM (64.12.117.143)
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Well, I myself spoke with the children about Dad and his friend. I explained to them that Dad has a new friend and he is living in her home. but, if they ever visit him there..they are to be as respectful as they have been raised to be. They have each stressed to me that they don't want to go there just yet. I expressed this to their father and he said sure. But, I can tell he wants to kind of push this along..figuring the kids may give him their blessings. I explained to him that they are fully aware that this woman is one of the reasons he's not here. So, pushing them into something now, may not give him the result he would like to have.

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