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stimulus payment..should my wife have gotten it
      #209151 - 05/31/08 03:53 PM (208.101.175.113)
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Since 2000 she has been on soc sec disability. She has never paid a dime of tax from her check. It all comes out of mine.

So i did give her her 600 payment this year but in theory, really isnt that mine?

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Re: stimulus payment..should my wife have gotten it [Re: What will I lose]
      #209153 - 05/31/08 04:17 PM (68.110.66.68)
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That one is a question. You've already filed. If the stimulus was earned pre-filing (which I think it was, it was based upon the tax return status from 2007), then it's equally split. (or "equitably" split in "equitable" states... which is often equal).

Now we go back to a lecture I gave you like the first or second time I saw your posts... that it doesn't matter that she contributed nearly nothing to the marriage in the last X # of years. It doesn't matter if she did all the spending and you did all the earning. It doesn't matter if you allowed her to sit around and do nothing all day but watch TV while you worked, did all the chores, did all the earning. She gets half of everythign accumulated during that time. Half the debt, half the assets. You do a balance sheet & if it's negative as a net balance then you and she each get enough stuff that you each end up with half the debt... if it's positive then you each get enough stuff that in the end you each end up with half the net assets. That's just the way it goes.

Now, in your case, you're getting hte house becasue she can't afford it... so you'll get more of the debt to offset it... and to some extent part of the house was already yours maybe (though if I recall, you'd mortgaged it since the marriage so there was not a lot of equity in it as your separate, pre-marital equity).

The idea is that if you allowed this unequal balance of power to exist within your own marriage, if you chose to be with and stay with someone who did not contribute financially, that's YOUR problem and your CHOICE and the government or courts are not going to go back and make corrections for YOUR bad decision, YOUR bad investment.

So on this situation... you gave her half... you probably owed her half. You did not give her a "gift" of somethign she was not already entitled to.

Now since the separation and filing for divorce, you've been CONTINUING to allow her to live with you rent free while she spends her own disability check on cigarettes & treats for herself. THAT is a mistake. THAT is your gift to her. But you can't give her free rent and then expect her to pay you rent from the stimulus check... so you OWED her the half of that...

If I were you, wanting to make things equitable, I'd start expecting a full contribution from her to the household expenses for as long as she stays & stop making this gift on an ongoing basis.

But then, we've had that talk before... ad nauseam!


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Re: stimulus payment..should my wife have gotten it [Re: What will I lose]
      #209162 - 05/31/08 04:44 PM (69.115.64.195)
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[quote]Since 2000 she has been on soc sec disability. She has never paid a dime of tax from her check. It all comes out of mine.

So i did give her her 600 payment this year but in theory, really isnt that mine? [/quote]

It isn't yours. Not even in theory. Had you filed married filing separately, you would have only gotten the $600. The other $600 is hers.


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Re: stimulus payment..should my wife have gotten i [Re: gigi]
      #209720 - 06/03/08 09:22 AM (12.76.67.141)
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Now since the separation and filing for divorce, you've been CONTINUING to allow her to live with you rent free while she spends her own disability check on cigarettes & treats for herself. [/quote]

well just for gratification let it be known she pays the entire grocery bill and of course i'm not worried about what i buy when i got to the store anymore :) So she is contributing somewhat. I literally pay zero for food. She has an appt with her atty this week later so i'm sure a lot more will come out soon.

plus i actually look at her as saving me money by staying because by law, if she moves out i have to pay her 1100 a month until the D is final. But she doesnt know that.

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Re: stimulus payment..should my wife have gotten i [Re: What will I lose]
      #209738 - 06/03/08 10:32 AM (68.110.66.68)
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I STILL don't understand what kind of law it is in your state that requires temporary support payments or fixes it at a very specific amount like that. It makes no sense. In most states, things like alimony/spousal maintenance payments are really dependent upon a whole lot of things as well as the independent judgment of the judges involved... I know of no states which have a statute or rule on the books saying, "if she leaves, you must pay"... I'd LOVE your lawyer's explanation of how he arrived at that number and what statute he's relying upon to get there... and WHY he has not suggested a way to get it lowered so that you might be able to afford to live while separated!

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Re: stimulus payment..should my wife have gotten i [Re: gigi]
      #210255 - 06/05/08 11:24 AM (12.76.66.46)
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[quote]I STILL don't understand what kind of law it is in your state that requires temporary support payments or fixes it at a very specific amount like that. It makes no sense. In most states, things like alimony/spousal maintenance payments are really dependent upon a whole lot of things as well as the independent judgment of the judges involved... I know of no states which have a statute or rule on the books saying, "if she leaves, you must pay"... I'd LOVE your lawyer's explanation of how he arrived at that number and what statute he's relying upon to get there... and WHY he has not suggested a way to get it lowered so that you might be able to afford to live while separated! [/quote]

i've only posted about 1000 posts, cant you remember this one? :)

Here in PA they take my income minus hers and x .40 and that's my alimony. Rule 1910 16-4 if anyone is interested.
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ok where i was wrong in that post is that isnt my alimony, that is my pre divorce support. That formula was in a law book and the atty showed it to me. She said if my wife moves out today, i must pay her 1100 a month until the D is final.

She also said the judge is not supposed to use that as a POST support figure but they usually do.

This was told to me by the 150/hr atty i hired AND the 300/hr atty i interviewed. So i firmly believe it is true. The 300/hr even said insurance and other expenses would be ON TOP of the 1100 alimony...i cannot do that..period.

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