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riley
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new here...long....need advice and encouragement
      #205570 - 05/18/08 02:51 AM (65.26.55.190)
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I'm new here and am looking for some kind words. (sorry for some typos...its 2am here) I've been married to my husband for almost 12 years. We got married young, when I was 21, he was 22, right out of college. No kids. 2 dogs we both LOVE. We are both in our early 30s.

Honestly, we should have never gotten married. I almost left during the first year. I want to say we don't love each other anymore, but I'm not sure that is true.

However, we don't enjoy being around each other. We can tolerate each other for maybe a couple hours before annoying the he11 out of each other. Forget about sex. I have no desire and I think he has given up asking for it. It kinda started with a medical condition that I have that makes sex painful (vulvodynia), but I can say that I don't want to be be kissed, etc. Just not interested. So basically, we work a lot and try not to be around each other.

I know that I'm more independent than most men seem to want (I don't want to be the cook, the maid and work all the time to). I work hard and we both make 70k. I would rather pay for a housecleaner, someone to cut the yard and get takeout. We both work 12 hour days.

I'm not sure what to do. Its kinda intimidating to think I will be alone. My husband is a good person, maybe I am just not cut out for marriage. I can't imagine getting married again, but life could be pretty lonely. Does anyone else feel that way. It does make me teary eyed to think about getting a divorce.

Then there is the logistics. I can honestly say the reason we have always fought is money, (and that he is addicted to pron - I dont even care about that anymore, except when he spends his spending money on it and "needs" more $$$. One year he spent 2200 on it). He is not responsible, for example he cant have an atm, debit card or checkbook because he overdraws the account. I have to transfer "allowance" every week to his prepaid debit card that doesnt access the checking account. He "gets" 100 a week and that never seems to be enough. We had to declare bankruptcy last year.

Now all the debt left is our 1,2 and 3rd mortgatge and student loans (mine 100k, his 13k). I stupidly co signed a sba loan for a business that he ran into the ground. so we still owe 40k on it, 25k on heloc for credit cards we paid off and the 1sr mortgage of 189. 3 years ago we could have sold for 275k, now we will be lucky to get 225. We didn't reaffirm these loans so we could walk away. I am trying to get the house rented to cover the mortgage and wait the market out, but so far no interest.

However, I have 100k of student loan debt. I can not pay that without some of his income and stil afford an apt, car, etc. Do you think I stand any chance of getting that debt split (70k was incurred after we were married)?

I live in KS. I want to try to negotiate something with him as I don't want to split my 401k (50k) and need some help with the student loan bill. He cashed his 401k in to start his business. I know he wants a divorce too...saw him figuring up a budget for an apt. We have 2 dogs, littermates, that would have a hard time being apart from each other. If we can't work something out, what do the courts usually do? We both will want the dogs. I want to keep things civil as we work for the same company and both like our jobs. Luckily, we work in different buildings.

Any advice?


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Re: new here...long....need advice and encouragement [Re: riley]
      #205573 - 05/18/08 03:56 AM (68.88.205.158)
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How can he make $70k a year, and yet apparently be so dumb that he doesn't know that all the "pron" he wants is available on the internet, for free?

How can you make this figure, and yet apparently be so dumb that you cannot even correctly punctuate a sentence or, evidently, even use a word processor, which would check your grammer, punctuation and spelling? This is to say nothing of your apparent expectation that you should be allowed to rob him of $35k, to help pay your student loan back, for no other reason but that you were married to him at the time you assumed the debt. Didn't you ever learn anything about justice and ethics?

Put the two dogs up for adoption, and look for foster parents for yourselves, who will raise and educate you both properly--especially in regard to handling money!

BTW, sorry about your medical condition. There are web sites that suggest therapy for this. Do a "google" for them.

Edited by jbar (05/18/08 04:49 AM)


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Re: new here...long....need advice and encouragement [Re: riley]
      #205578 - 05/18/08 06:45 AM (69.115.64.195)
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You both make the same amount of money, there are no kids, you aren't a candidate for spousal support.

And the $100K student loan is yours, even the portion during the marriage. The only way he would benefit from your education is if you were to stay married to him.

All other marital debt is subject to division. If neither of you can afford to buy the other out of the house, then it's going to have to be sold. The two of you may have to continue living together until the house is sold if neither of you can afford the mortgage payment and rent payment.

Edited by Jada (05/18/08 09:24 AM)


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Re: new here...long....need advice and encouragement [Re: riley]
      #205585 - 05/18/08 08:08 AM (75.163.17.247)
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Legally? You take your own student loans, and split your assets. The dog issue will have to be decided by the both of you, or a judge will do it.

Beyond that, I might look within, rather than finger pointing for your economic troubles. You state he gets about $5000 a year as an "allowance" out of your total $140,000 income, you have the rest minus taxes, yet you seem to feel he's 100% at fault for your economic problems. You racked up the $100,000 student loan. And, when I hear about filing for bankruptcy, and read the statement: "I would rather pay for a housecleaner, someone to cut the yard and get takeout," then it shows a lack of fiscal responsibility.


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Re: new here...long....need advice and encouragement [Re: Samsung]
      #205601 - 05/18/08 10:22 AM (65.26.55.190)
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Wow. Thanks for the support. As to the typos, whoever the idiot that mentioned them, read my first paragraph. I specifically said there were typos and I was typing very late. Are you so stupid you can't read with a few typos? Jesus.

We each get $100 a week for whatever, after everything is paid for (gas for cars, groceries etc). With 140k a year affording some household help shouldn't be an issue. We are still putting money into savings. The issue is I am always the one to say if there is money or not for something. I am sick of being the mommy. The bankruptcy was due to the business failing.

We aren't putting our dogs for adoption...how freakin stupid. Considering I have been on my own since 15, I think I have done very well for myself. I had to put myself through college completely on my own so student loans were a must. I don't regret them, otherwise I would be making minimum wage.

Apparantly he has seen all the free stuff and thinks he needs to pay for it.

Thanks to those that did provide advice. We would be better off negotiating everything out of court it seems. The more I think about it the easier it is to just keep everything the same. What's another 5 years?

PS - The reason I asked about the student loans, was that it was partially used to pay both our living expenses while I was getting my graduate degree. He did receive benefit from the money. A few courts seem to agree.
http://www.divorcesource.com/research/dl/debts/01mar52.shtml

I want to do what is fair, again he is a good person, so I am not looking to "rob" him. I do realize some of our money issues are my fault as well. Obviosuly, there are things I should do better. I just get tired of being the only one who even cares if the bills are paid, if we are saving enough money for retirement, etc.

Edited by riley (05/18/08 10:37 AM)


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Re: new here...long....need advice and encouragement [Re: riley]
      #205988 - 05/19/08 09:07 PM (76.110.222.166)
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Really you don't belong here. You haven't got the depth of problems that this collection of tortured sould face.

Do yourselves a favor. Find a mediator both of you can live with and go to them. Make a settlement that you are both unhappy with but can accept, and get it over with. Trade the doges every year or something and imagine how lucky you are they aren't kids. Get over it and get out you have plety of good yrs left.


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Re: new here...long....need advice and encouragement [Re: riley]
      #206487 - 05/21/08 01:00 PM (65.114.61.218)
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Knowing what I know now about divorce-if I were you, I would pack up my stuff and the dogs and leave town. File bankrupcy. Save yourself alot of trouble and money. It doesn't sound like you have anything to gain by being diplomatic.

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