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My wife has some friends. I've never cared for them. They have a daughter the same age as ours that she plays with. Apparantly, they are having a birthday party for their daughter the week that I am watching my daughter. My wife suggested I take our daughter to the party to see her little friend. So, do I go? I hate to be one of those parents that drops off their kid, disappears and then comes back a few hours later to pick her up. I don't care for these people but it's not like I hate them. I'd probably be fine being around them. Doesn't really matter to me either way if I have to socialize with them. .........so, do I take my daughter to her friends birthday party (and stay) or not even though these people are my wifes friends? |
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Your daughter should come first! Think about what she would like!! |
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Try to take this in a proper manner. You are starting threads waaaaaaaaaaaay too much. Slow your roll. This is getting out of control on your part. Every little issue you have…………………. you don't need to get a consensus on. Give thought to others in need and be mindful of their issues that may need attending. Not pissed just getting irritated. |
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If it were me, and I don't have kids, I would bring her and stay. here she can develop and grow social skills. When she looks over her little shoulder for reassurance daddy is right there loving her, watching her test those little wings. And think of all the topics of conversation you now have. did you like the cake? the ice-cream, this behavior was acceptable, the way little Johnny acted wasn't. Most importantly you are furthering your bond with your baby and SHOWING her actively you have interest in her life. Go, enjoy, and time well spent maybe not directly with, but definitely for your daughter. |
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I guess because when I say I did something, the vast majority seem to want to beat me to death with a baseball bat for doing it. I guess it would make most happy if I decide on my own what I want to do,......and then do the opposite of it. |
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No you just either can't and never have made a decision for yourself or your an attention-[censored]. Which is it? You don't seem to take advise yet you ask in every little situation. Who are you and what are you looking for? |
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[quote] the ice-cream [/quote] I, like Lee, have no children. But if I did, I guess I would take my daughter to the party, hang out with her (but not too close), sit around and eat ice cream and cake. And, if the other little girls parents annoyed me, I'd eat ALL the cake and ALL the ice cream, and make all the other little girls cry. But that's just me. Seriously, I'd take her. Why the hell not? |
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don't forget you can rummage through the medicine cabinets.... only kidding geez tough crowd today |
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I would say go and keep an open mind. Just because you may not have gotten along with the host/hostess of the party before doesn't mean they could turn out to be good friends. Some of my best friends are people I had conflicts with in the past. |
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[quote] geez tough crowd today [/quote] DO YOU REALLY THINK I'M BEING "TOUGH" THREATENING TO EAT ALL THE CAKE AND ICE CREAM? I figured the kids are young. They'll, like, "get over it", you know? |
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Me thinks it might be me Knox. |
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[quote] Me thinks it might be me Knox. [/quote] YEAH WELL HEY LIGHTEN UP THERE DOOD. Mfergel has every right to go into the tank if he so chooses. I did. |
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"I hate to be one of those parents that drops off their kid, disappears and then comes back a few hours later to pick her up." I can tell you never took your daughter to a birthday party or they are a hell of a lot different on the east coast. As a parent that has taken my kids to many parties this is the norm and it gives the parents some time to so something on there own while the child enjoys the party. When you have a party do you want every dam parent setting around watching the birthday party. I know I sure as hell don’t. I don’t expect parents to stay at the parties I have thrown for my kids. I am happy to take the kids for 2-3 hours while they go get some stuff done. They come back and kids get to tell them what a great time they had. If the P want to stay i have no problem with it but i rarly have had that. Or they leave after we start the party Thank god as it gets crazy when we start smashing the shit out of the pinyata because it does get crazy LOL Damm near an insult to suggest your bad parent for dropping the kids off at a birthday party Your so right when you say you have not been involved with you daughter in the past and it shows with post like this. |
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Yeah I agree...........but maybe someone (me) can cause this individual to start using his brain and God given abilities to stay out of the fuckin tank...............Sir. I've been there doing that and if he dosen't have to sink that low cool. |
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No, we've thrown plenty of parties for our daughter in the past. The vast majority of the parents always stay. Usually only one or two that drop off the child and bail, and more often than not, it seems like it's always the one child that gets out of hand. We've taken our daughter to parties in the past and again, the vast majority of the parents stay. I'm not saying it's about being a bad parent or anything. But more often than not, these parents that leave make the assumption that it's ok. Too me, they should ask first if it is alright to leave their child unattended while they leave to do something else. We've had parents that show up, leave the child and say we'll be back in two hours. See you later. That's rude. |
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was that an ice cream tank??? No but seriously I know I don't post much but this place is for support. In the height of my divorce I didn't know which end was up and just seeing replies helped like I can't even express. This process does play tricks on you and fills you with self doubt. So I guess if you don't like the post or the poster don't respond, but lend a hand and be a friend. AND PUT DOWN THAT SPOON KNOX!!!!!!! |
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[quote]Yeah I agree...........but maybe someone (me) can cause this individual to start using his brain and God given abilities to stay out of the fuckin tank...............Sir. I've been there doing that and if he dosen't have to sink that low cool. [/quote] What's the tank filled with? Is it jello? Are there girls in bikinis involved? Pudding would be fun. Not thirsty enough for a tank of liquor though. |
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take her or not. not a big deal. |
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Just as there is never a dumb question there is never to many unless it is just the same thing over and over. Go and have a good time. Your daughter will think it's great. I never talk a lot anyway at parties. Hope your daughter liked the puppy. |
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It's the tank where you lose everthing but the kids. You might be headed there and I trying to push you elsewhere for your own good. |
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We've had parents that show up, leave the child and say we'll be back in two hours. See you later. That's rude. WELL THAT’S YOUR OPNION AND I TRIED LIVING ON THE EAST COAST SO I SURLY KNOW WHAT THE TERM RUDE IS. Gotta love the Midwest for its simplicity . |
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[quote] What's the tank filled with? Is it jello? Are there girls in bikinis involved? Pudding would be fun. Not thirsty enough for a tank of liquor though. [/quote] THERE YA GO MFERGEL. YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT MAN. I know how badly this shit sucks. If it wasn't for a bunch of folks that dragged me out of the tank (filled with licker), I seriously would have lost my mind. I couldn't even understand my alimony payments, I was so tired, emotionally drained and exhausted (from not sleeping). Everything was confusing. Just take it one day, one small thing at a time. |
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I second what Knox said! |
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[quote]We've had parents that show up, leave the child and say we'll be back in two hours. See you later. That's rude. WELL THAT’S YOUR OPNION AND I TRIED LIVING ON THE EAST COAST SO I SURLY KNOW WHAT THE TERM RUDE IS. Gotta love the Midwest for its simplicity . [/quote] I'm from the midwest. Born and raised. There, the parents stayed because there was usually beer and mixed drinks available for the adults. You are right though, there was a simplicity to those parties. They were more like gatherings than events. :-) |
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So good to see you back HK. Ferg. Take her. Stay. Reasons: it's her friend and it's a birthdays. At this age they've not done a whole lot of birthdays so every one of them is special (not like with us, who can't even count our birthdays on both hands and both feet any more). And every party opportunity lost feels like a devastating thing, starting just about now for your daughter. She's at the age where you're no longer dragging her to these things and she's actually looking forward to them. For the next 15 years, every time her friends have fun and she is missing, she's going to resent it. So take her. The reason you should stay: You need these people to think of you as a parent in your own right. You probably are not friends with a lot of your daughter's friends' parents. You've admitted that you were previously too involved with work to pay attention to the homefront. And so now is your time to create relationships with people who are going to be your homefront. These people don't dislike you, they simply don't know you... and probably visa versa. My husband is not particularly in love with his ex's friends, but she has made a point of making closest friends with people whose kids she wants the kids spending most of their time with. She sets it up so that her best friends have kids their ages. These people have heard all the trash about my husband that she could dish out. (it hurts the kids for other adults they come into contact with regularly to have a negative opinion of him). He'd have been smarter to spend more time with them rather than allow her to be the only influence on them. It's not necessarily comfortable at first with people you don't know, where the only thing in common is the kids, but you don't have to be best pals with these people, just comfortable enough to ask them over to YOUR house for ice cream when YOUR daughter's birthday arrives. You're used to having lots of contact with work mates but not a whole lot of contact with the neighbors... it's easy to get comfortable with that, but for your daughter's sake you need to broaden your horizons... find people you can chat with at the ballet recitals & softball games and birthday parties... like I said, you don't have to be thier best friends, but recognizing them and remembering thier names and occupations helps. Once you break the ice, you might find some of these people like you. My husband has started to realize that hsi ex has burned her bridges with some of the kids' friends' parents... and it's interesting that these other kids' parents are gravitating to him, chatting with him during games, etc. It's not like we're all meeting for pizza & movies on Saturday nights... but at least it's no longer an uncomfortable feeling to go to the kids' events and see people looking at us like they wonder if the latest gossip she's reported about us is true. And the kids are happy to see thier Dad at these events even if they're not allowed to come say "hi" when their mother is with them (she's that jealous... it's wierd... it's no real rule, but they certainly know how upset she gets, and she always finds some way to make them feel bad if they have any fun with their dad). You want to set things up in a way that you do not have to live the next 15 years in an uncomfortable situation the way my husband is having to spend his next few years (kids are a lot older). So go... talk to the parents... eat the ice cream. And get their addresses so you can invite them to the party for her at your house when the time comes (since her mother is doing a larger party, you do a smaller thing at Chuck-E-Cheese with JUST the one friend, that friend's parents and no gifts expected from the friend. |
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On another note you ask a question you already know the answer to or what you would do. (Like in this question) Then when you get advice/opinion you don’t agree with you want to argue about it. WTH you think this place is Debate 101 |
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I don't have a problem with mfergel making all these posts. The problem in my opinion is that he doesn't listen to the answers. Each new thread he makes is something that's been addressed in another thread he started. Should you take your daughter to the birthday party? If your wife isn't going to be there, then what difference does it make? Do YOU want to take your daughter to the party? Start making decisions that'll make YOU (and your daughter) happy. Screw the STBX's happiness. |
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[quote] WELL THAT’S YOUR OPNION AND I TRIED LIVING ON THE EAST COAST SO I SURLY KNOW WHAT THE TERM RUDE IS. [/quote] WHEN I VISITED THE EAST COAST EVERYBODY SEEMED REAL NICE AND THE NICE FAT EYETALIAN GIRL AT THE PIZZA JOINT EVEN STUFFED HER HUGE BANYAS IN MY FACE WHEN I TOLD HER I WAS FROM WISCONSIN. OK, enough screwing around now. I think mfergel is at least dragged up on the beach. I hope we didn't rip TOO much hair out. |
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""(filled with licker)"", HK, novel thought, Licker as opposed to Liquor!! Who needs Jello!!! |
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Honestly Motor-head, I didn't know the answer to this question. I didn't know if I should go, if I should just drop her off, etc. Gigi, thank you for your advice. Especially because I think one of the other reasons for the separation was my lack of involvment with her friends (just the fact that we had OUR OWN friends instead of just OUR friends was a warning sign). Anyway, I just always felt discomfort in hanging around with her friends, the lack of things in common, etc. I think a lot of it was anxiety as I'm actually that way with strangers as well. I've been trying to get over that so this is probably a good opportunity for me to continue down that path. Also, after the separation, I did actually email her best friend and appologize for not being more social with them. They felt I was just being rude and mean to them and they accepted my appology, which was nice. Guess I can do the same here. Might go a long way in repairing the perception people had of me. |
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ROTFLMAO Ok i want to go were you did LOL |
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Mfergel your a nice enough guy, the point is if we don't get you to trust you own decision making process what good are we. You need to learn to trust in yourself again. It's the biggest hurdle we face in divorce. You must trust in yourself to move forward and begin to understand the life that lies ahead. A person who can't think on any level for themselves is doomed to repeat his mistakes in life. |
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[quote] Ok i want to go were you did LOL [/quote] Fornino. Brooklyn, New York. http://www.freewilliamsburg.com/restaurants/archives/2005/03/fornino_1.html Let's load up Mr. Pat and mfergel and go have us some pie. |
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[quote]Mfergel your a nice enough guy, the point is if we don't get you to trust you own decision making process what good are we. You need to learn to trust in yourself again. It's the biggest hurdle we face in divorce. You must trust in yourself to move forward and begin to understand the life that lies ahead. A person who can't think on any level for themselves is doomed to repeat his mistakes in life. [/quote] You may be right. Maybe I feel like I've made so many bad decisions in the past that lead up to this event that I'm going to screw up and lose whatever I have left that remains. |
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[quote] You may be right. Maybe I feel like I've made so many bad decisions in the past that lead up to this event that I'm going to screw up and lose whatever I have left that remains. [/quote] Ach. You've got to flush crap like that right outta your brain. Grab yourself by the sack and drag yourself outta this. Listen..... Listen to Mr. Pat and gigi for good, solid, sound advice as to how to not ruin the rest of your life. They saved me. Listen to me if you need a good laugh and ALSO the realization that I was every bit as much of a mess as you are now. Listen to Motor-Head if.....if.....you wanna go out for pizza or somethin'. |
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Ferg, Honey I adore you but you have to grow up and stop crying over every little Boo Boo. Your going to do what you want anyway. If you listen to the advice you seek so often, you could have seen Jason coming before it hit you in the face. Plan a different fun day for her, or go to the party. Why does everything have to be negative drama with you? Mrpat! You hit it on the nail/ |
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wait! if there's free food...and it's GOOD food go! |
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Mferg I'm not telling you not to post. I'm looking for a spark of life in you. Sometimes it only comes from confrontation. However you need to understand life can get worse you still have much more to lose if you choose to. The decision is yours and yours alone. P.S. we gotta get you a nickname. |
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You will be okay. You need to enter the next phase of this thing we call D-I-V-O-R-C-E. Gain some strength. Trust yourself. Take control over YOUR life. Do what you want with it. Stop worrying about what you should do-do what ever the hell you want to do. Choice 1-okay so you suck it up and take her. Put a big smile on your face, be polite and don't talk about the divorce while you are there. Choice 2-Or just drop her off-make nice with the parents, say thank you, leave your cell number and show back up on time. Choice 3-you don't like these people, don't go. Why put yourself throught this bullsh*t. Only you know what is best for YOU. Me personally-if I was in this situation I would not go. I would ask my son if he wanted to go. If he did then I would tell my ex to take him and drop him back off after they were finished. I chose the NO BULLSH*T route. Going to the party and staying there with people you don't care for-is just going to make you feel worse. |
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NO BULLSH*T route..............ROCKS! |
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[quote] P.S. we gotta get you a nickname. [/quote] Oh god, please no. :-) Hey, if it makes anyone feel better, I don't feel as negative and down as I did over the weekend or even yesterday for that matter. In fact, I seem to have the toughest times when I'm not around friends. The one shining thing from this separation is that I'm finding out I had closer friends than I thought and they've been more than willing to drag me out of the hole I'd been living in lately. Heck, even the wife of a friend emailed me yesterday offering to listen if ever I need an ear as their son went through a nasty divorce they didn't think he would live through. |
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I love the no bullsh*t route. I try to use it whenever I can! |
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Frotto................Your carrying the burden not sure what to do............ but make it in the end. Your frotto Baggins. |
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[quote]Frotto................Your carrying the burden not sure what to do............ but make it in the end. Your frotto Baggins. [/quote] Does that make you my Samwise "Sam" Gamgee? |
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Ain't nothing wise here Buddy. Just a whooooole lotta what not to do's. Frotto |
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[quote][quote] P.S. we gotta get you a nickname. [/quote] Oh god, please no. :-) Hey, if it makes anyone feel better, I don't feel as negative and down as I did over the weekend or even yesterday for that matter. In fact, I seem to have the toughest times when I'm not around friends. The one shining thing from this separation is that I'm finding out I had closer friends than I thought and they've been more than willing to drag me out of the hole I'd been living in lately. Heck, even the wife of a friend emailed me yesterday offering to listen if ever I need an ear as their son went through a nasty divorce they didn't think he would live through. [/quote] Exactly! You will be amazed how the people you once thought you had nothing in common with can be a great source of support! |
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[quote][quote]Frotto................Your carrying the burden not sure what to do............ but make it in the end. Your frotto Baggins. [/quote] Does that make you my Samwise "Sam" Gamgee? [/quote] Think of Pat as Gollum. Makes his posts more amusing when you imagine he's talking in that voice. :P |
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For my own purposes, it's easier to follow a story on a single thread than a thousand of new threads started with each new different take on an issue. I would assume that it's rude to drop of a very little one at a party and go... while the older kids' parties where the kids can be trusted to have a FEW social graces ... like not needing help in the bathroom from complete strangers because MOm & Dad arent' around... maybe the parents would drop of the kids & run. But only you know your child and whether they'll become the embarassing life of the party without you around. For Fergie, I think his daughter is that stage where she's young enough that it's close to being expected that he'll stay rather than drop her off & go. And because he needs to be more involved in her life, he needs to make an effort to be more involved in her friends' parents' lives. EVEN IF they're friends of his stbx, who MAY not have said really wonderful things about him recently. And Iv'e found out some things about what makes people think you're being snotty or rude... it's strange... they don't put themselves out to talk to you if you keep to yourself and are feelign shy. It's like everyone KNOWS that some people are simply quiet or shy, but when I'm having a bout of shyness, it comes off as some type of superior thing. If I open my mouth and approach people, all of a sudden they're wanting to be my best friends... but if I'm just not terribly comfortable in the situation and so I'm clamming up... people later tell me tht they thought for sure I was a real snob. Heck, I can even be intimidated by thier incomes, jobs, positions in life... and thinking that I've got nothing interesting to say, and later, after we become friends, they get all gooey and talk about how they always thought I was such an elitist snob and thought I was better then them or other such nonsense... and the only thing was that I was truly afraid to say something to them for fear of them not liking me. Fergie, if your stbx's friends think you're a snob, rude, superior or whatever. If they think you're too inovlved in your job and not involved enough in your daughter's life and not good enough at being with little children... if they think you wont' like them because they don't have similar jobs or incomes or stations in life... well... all that you have to do to dispell this stuff (and get more rounded in your own group of friends) is to open your mouth and talk. Topics of conversation: The kids are so cute. You wish you had done more of this stuff before the separation,. NOTHING about the separation other than that "these things happen". Hey, what do you do for a living, I know that (stbx... insert name here) told me about it, but with the crazy stuff we're going through I have a hard time remembering to my own address these days! (and then once they tell you what each does for a living, find something complementary to say about it... none of that... oh, you're a THERAPIST, huh? I've got ENOUGH of those in my life these days! Trying to tell me how to raise my daughter... I hope you're not one of THOSE!) Who do you think will be the girls' teacher next year? What do you think of her/him? Wow, you did a great job with this cake... can you give me the name of the bakery, I'm doing a little party for daughter in a few weeks for her birthday. STBX will be doing the big party this year cause I'll be out of town. I hope you'll let your daughter come. We'll be going to ... (insert name of silly little kids' restaurant like Chuck-E-Cheese) No gifts, just a little fun because I won't be there for her big party. No, no big deal, I've got to be out of town that weekend... but hey, I hear that's what kids of divorce get... they might not get as much time with each parent, but they get twice the number of birthday celebrations, vacations & stuff. Gotta try to make the best of this, you know? and if they ask you about the stbx... just say, "I hear she's doing well and I'm happy for her. It's been hard but I think we're getting to a place where we'll be OK with this" (yes, I know it doesn't feel true yet, but say it. These are friends who might talk to her, or about the situation in front of their child (who will certainly talk to yours), and so you dont' give them any more information than you'd want your daughter to have... a happy face, a cooperative manner, no resentment, no anger, none of that. They will occasionally ask the prying questions... so just smile & give a really pleasant answer suggesting a ton of oooperation and positive thoughts for the future. And then move the conversation straight back to how great the cake is, what a cute dress thier little one is wearing... and focus on remembering which parent belongs to which kid, thier names, occupations, etc... if you've never bothered to memorize this stuff before, work on it now. Remembering things about people is one of the most important and flattering ways to have them get to know you. You'll do fine. |
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i wish a single dad would take his kids to some party im taking my kids to! |
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You make it sound so easy Gigi. But the truth is that most of them do think I was a snob and I can't blame them. You're right. I need to change that. |
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The truth is that it IS just that easy. When you've been afraid to talk or socialize with people because you're not part of the group, for some reason I've never ifgured out, it comes off as snobby. And it's JUST as easy as opening your mouth. Of course, when you're owrried that they're not happy with you because of taking sides in a divorce or whatever, it's not just that easy... But the hard part is the emotional struggle within yourself to not feel so awkward... which is why it's good to go armed with a few sound bites, some nice, trite things that will make them feel good... like what a cute dress suzie is wearing ... or ... thanks so much for making me feel welcome, I was afraid things woudl awkward... It' works like magic. Now the struggle within... that's a harder hurdle to overcome. |
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Or, or, or you could just be yourself and not give a sh!t. I find when I do this I get along with people much better because I'm not trying to be anything I'm not. Be proud of who you are and don't worry...........your there for your daughter not a popularity contest. If they still don't like you it's their loss. Cliché sure but it's true in the end. They might just be miserable sob’s anyway. |
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Well, I took my daughter to the party. Turned out ok. Turns out one of the couples that my wife is friends with is separated as well. The husband cheated. I talked to the wife for awhile. I apologized for my reclusive behavior in the past. I felt sorry for the daughter (she's 8). The father is spending zero time with her and I could tell she was having some problems. Mother told me the daughter is in therapy. That's gotta be tough on her to feel like your dad just doesn't care about you anymore. |