lifeiswunderfel
(New)
11/20/06 09:46 PM
74.38.36.44
Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden?

Hi. I have been divorced for 3-1/2 yrs from my son's mother (he is 7). I have been remarried for over a year now. My life is wonderful except for every couple of weeks. I won't bore you with all the details, but the latest has me curious. She recently asked that I purchase a second set of complete clothes to keep at my house, because it was too difficult to pack/unpack and transport clothes to day care during my visitation. I found this hard to believe since I have the same responsibility, and she is a part time student, and unemployed. After giving it some thought, my wife and I thought it may actually be easier (albeit pety) to keep clothes here. So we bought socks, undies, jeans, shirts, etc. Upon the end of his last visit, we kept any of the clothes sent by his mother that we had purchased. She now accuses us of stealing and "forcing her to get like this every few weeks". Followed by her hanging up the telephone. What do I do? If anything?

Fairmind
(Silver)
11/21/06 08:17 AM
63.84.4.1
Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden?

I don't think the swapping of clothes is the real issue here although it appears to be. What were the circumstances of your divorce? Did you want out or did your ex? If you are the one leaving the marriage then she might not be happy to see you happy and may want to make your life hard. If she's the one leaving then is she poor?
However you look at it I don't think she's happy with her life if she is trying to create issues with you. P.S.: do you pay her child support??


lifeiswunderfel
(New)
11/21/06 04:04 PM
74.32.255.108
Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden?

Thank you for the kind words. She is the one who wanted out, and in the best interest of our son, I let her have the house, and pretty much ever since we divorced, positive after positive after positive (anything) has been happening for me in all aspects of my life. She has lost 2 jobs, struggling for school, vehicle repo'd and now her house. I have even agreed to pay for ALL child expenses in addition to my legal requirements while she is in school to show that there are no hard feelings and make sure my son is taken care of. I feel like I am continually taken advantage of and she just doesn't get it. Thanks for reading.

smurf
(New)
01/09/07 02:00 PM
130.126.138.109
Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden?

I can explain I think. I don't get much for child support. I buy second-hand clothes for my kids but I make sure they are outfits that look good and go together and no one can tell they are second-hand. I would send the kids to my ex's house in nice outfits on Friday and they would come back wearing clothes that were "slightly better than rags". The clothes were either too big or too small and didn't match and there is no way I'd let the kids be seen in them. So as time went on, my decent looking clothes were all ending up at his house and I was stuck with the rags he'd send them home in. I think these rags were free clothes handed down to him by his friends and he didn't care how they looked because they were free. Anyway, I stopped doing sending them to his house with my nice clothes on. He sends them home in rags and they go back to his house in rags. I have the babysitter change the kids into the "icky" clothes after they get back from school and before I pick them up on Fridays.

Luvnlif76
(New)
01/19/07 02:03 PM
209.174.241.68
Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden?

What I have found that works is I take the child's clothes off as soon as they arrive at my house. Then when it is time to go back to her house, I put the same clothes back on. This leaves little room for argument. That way I have my clothes and she has hers.

infinity386
(Gold)
02/24/08 03:18 AM
70.53.128.118
Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden?

its not about the cloths.

Just be patient till the real problem reveals itself. You can ask her whats bothering her but if you had that type of relation ship you would not be divorced. more than likely she's just simply miserable. and misery loves company.

I must say though you will have to find a way to creatively respond to it. for ignoring it will only make it worse. try and figure out what it is, even if you have no proper response to it, at least you will know why she is doing it. Which may be helpful later.


faith4two
(Platinum)
02/24/08 12:42 PM
66.169.163.142
Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden?

Oh yeah, there is a bag which contains clothes from this past summer, which no longer fit, which continues to go back and forth between us. Our daughter has clothes at both homes now.

I am lucky in that the clothes she was wearing that I sent her back to Dad's in typically come back in the bag washed, maybe.


WolRon
(Platinum)
02/24/08 01:21 PM
66.242.81.47
Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden?

Regarding the clothes: Here's my situation and I haven't had any issues with clothes.

I and my ex split the cost of all clothing bought for the kids regardless of who buys them. If I buy two sets of clothing, I send one of the sets over to the exes. This keeps the quantity equal. Also, neither parent ever feels that they are buying All of the clothes. Since that's how it's handled, neither one of us has any issues with what the kids are wearing when the exchange is made, because they are always wearing 1 set of clothing when they leave or arrive. Sure, the clothes get 'mixed up' between the houses, but no one cares. And why should we?

Simple.


mistake#2
(Platinum)
02/27/08 10:49 PM
71.100.164.132
Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden?

If children are leaving the state to go for visitation with my 2nd ex, I will no longer send clothing. It's because he doesn't return it as it appears to be a game he plays. He'll purposely send back clothing two sizes too small that is not appropriate for Florida weather (obviously stuff that was packed away for goodwill & never made it) and only half of the other clothing makes it back...but then he'll state to me something like, "well why would I PURPOSELY keep the clothing?" ...ummm, to mess with me. I made him ship back the clothing last time and replace the tennis shoes that were lost. Then when he came for visitation in Florida, I made him give me a $40 deposit in order to take my sons school uniforms and other clothing which I gave back when he returned it.
It was so ridiculous for the last visit that he kept sending my 15 year old daughter home to pick up toiletry stuff like deodorant, shampoo and conditioner...he wouldn't just go purchase them himself and probably wasted more money in gas than it would have cost to just buy some.
For my other chid by my first ex...we no longer have issues like these. He used to keep my child's clothes and return him in a sopping diaper shoeless and in dirty old clothing until I refused to send clothes anymore. He too was playing the game but stopped when he realized it wasn't working anymore. That child is now 13 and we both pack clothing back and forth since the chid would be outgrowing the clothes that are purchased if we didn't just share.
I'm hoping that eventually my 2nd ex stops playing the game too but in the meantime I refuse to keep replacing clothing just for his amusement.


mistake#2
(Platinum)
02/27/08 10:50 PM
71.100.164.132
Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden?

[quote]Regarding the clothes: Here's my situation and I haven't had any issues with clothes.

I and my ex split the cost of all clothing bought for the kids regardless of who buys them. If I buy two sets of clothing, I send one of the sets over to the exes. This keeps the quantity equal. Also, neither parent ever feels that they are buying All of the clothes. Since that's how it's handled, neither one of us has any issues with what the kids are wearing when the exchange is made, because they are always wearing 1 set of clothing when they leave or arrive. Sure, the clothes get 'mixed up' between the houses, but no one cares. And why should we?

Simple. [/quote]

That works for you because of the 50/50 arrangement and the ages of the kids.


WolRon
(Platinum)
02/28/08 01:18 AM
66.242.81.47
Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden?

"[quote]Regarding the clothes: Here's my situation and I haven't had any issues with clothes.
I and my ex split the cost . . . the clothes get 'mixed up' between the houses, but no one cares. And why should we?
Simple. [/quote]

That works for you because of the 50/50 arrangement and the ages of the kids."

It doesn't ONLY work for me. I don't even see how the ages of the children have anything to do with it. As far as the 50/50, it could still work with other ratios. The parent with lesser time, just gets that percentage of clothing. 25/75 split?, Buy 4 articles of clothing, keep three articles, send one to ex (with bill). It's only a problem if the parents make it a problem.


mistake#2
(Platinum)
02/28/08 03:41 PM
71.100.164.132
Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden?

[quote) I don't even see how the ages of the children have anything to do with it. As far as the 50/50, it could still work with other ratios. The parent with lesser time, just gets that percentage of clothing. 25/75 split?, Buy 4 articles of clothing, keep three articles, send one to ex (with bill). It's only a problem if the parents make it a problem. [/quote]

Age matters because kids at age 7 & under usually able to pack their own and keep track of it. Over that age, they can help make sure items are returned.
As far as other time scenarios...your right, if the parents make it a problem, then it's a problem...however with that being said, it only takes ONE PARENT to make it a problem by not returning ANY clothing or returning clothing 2 sizes too small and not appropriate for the weather in replace of the appropriate clothing.


gigi
(Platinum)
02/28/08 03:56 PM
68.110.69.37
Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden?

Age also matters as I have seen, teens care more about waht they wear and will get downright angry at a parent who prevents them from taking thier favorite outfit to their other parent's house.

When my stepkid's mother first tried to pull the nonsense of not allowing them to bring their packed bags to our house, we simply bought them clothing, and continued ot buy more as we saw fit. The first ENTIRE WARDROBE replacement was cheap junk that the kids didn't much like, but at least they had stuff here for the times thier mother pulled this trick on them, and she had them KIND of convinced that since she paid for it, she got to keep it at HER house and let them take it only if SHE agreed to it. THey KIND of understood. But then we started shopping with them for holidays and birthdays and they started getting really COOL clothing here, and when they asked of COURSE it was THEIR clothing so they could do with it as they saw fit... what were WE going to do with it when they were gone, and they were responsible (old) enough to handle it and bring it back if they wnated to wear it here. So not only did we get to be the generous ones, but we got to be the ones who they KNOW are not trying to hurt their relationship wtih the other parent, and we go tot be the ones who are COOL enough to buy the stuff they prefer, and whenever we see them these days, they're wearing something we got them.

It's funny how as they get older and responsible enough to pack their own clothing, CHOOSE their own clothing, etc... they start to see through their mother's alienating stuff. Age really DOES matter. And as much as it matters in the kids' ability to help otu with this stuff, it also matters in thier ability to see the truth of how we got to this push-pull tug of war over their lcothing... it matters in thier ability to interpret what has happened and to control thier own reaction to it.

When it started, they were too young to do the entire job of packing for themselves... though if they'd been trained at a younger age, they could have taken on a task or two of remembering to bring some of the stuff back. But their mother put her foot in it when she entirely stepped in front of them, not allowing them to even take the luggage which they had packed (with our help on what to pack), out of the house. Sadly, for OUR kids to handle this, they had to get old enough to stand up to their mother and tell her that she was wrong to not allow them to take thier own luggage and clothing to thier father's house for a vacation... but they did, they got old enough to do that stuff and they are now packing for themselves for our place, packing again to go back to her place, choosing thier own clothing (with a little bit of guidance about fit & quality), and remembering to toss things they're not taking back to thier mother's house into the laundry basket so that the laundry fairy will get it clean before they come back. Next step in their aging process, revealing the laundry fairy's true identity and getting them to help in this chore as well... after all, if they REALLY cant' find a college within a 1500 mile radius of parents, they're going to have to learn to do thier own laundry also.

It's amazing how quickly they start to grow up and learn to do more stuff when you have worked out a plan for making it about them (where you are doing it all for them at first, and they learn to take over part of it for themselves by watching what you do) and not so much about the fight that thier other parent wants to wage with YOU!


WolRon
(Platinum)
02/28/08 06:53 PM
72.164.214.98
Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden?

"Age matters because kids at age 7 & under usually able to pack their own and keep track of it. Over that age, they can help make sure items are returned.
As far as other time scenarios...your right, if the parents make it a problem, then it's a problem...however with that being said, it only takes ONE PARENT to make it a problem by not returning ANY clothing or returning clothing 2 sizes too small and not appropriate for the weather in replace of the appropriate clothing."

I think you are missing the point. You are still talking about EXCHANGING clothes. I suggested NOT exchanging clothes. There's really no reason that any parent can't do what I suggested.

As far as some kids (like teens) wanting certain items at the 'other' house, let them take them. Let it be the child's responsibility. If they want to drag it back and forth, that's their prerogative. If they complain that something was left behind because they forgot, tell them they'll have to be more responsible and remember next time. Nothing at all wrong with that. The parents aren't involved, and don't have to be.

And I still don't see how age matters...


gigi
(Platinum)
02/28/08 09:29 PM
68.110.69.37
Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden?

And under your plan, what you do if theyr'e sending the kids back to your place in old, trashy or whatever clothing, is you take the clothes off of them and put the old, trashy or whatever clothes back on when you return them. It's not like you have to afford a FULL wardrobe, just the part that they need when they're with you.

THe only remaining problem is the sporting wardrobe for the extracurriculars while they're with you and the equipment. I have a friend whose ex gets a hold of a shin guard or shoulder pad and will never let go till the next visit to HER place... too bad most of the football practices take place when the kid is at HIS place. THis stuff is not cheap! Not like buying the cheap stuff at target like we did for the teens when the mother wouldn't let them take their suitcases... Grrr!!!


WolRon
(Platinum)
02/29/08 03:58 AM
66.242.81.47
Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden?

"And under your plan, what you do if theyr'e sending the kids back to your place in old, trashy or whatever clothing, is you take the clothes off of them and put the old, trashy or whatever clothes back on when you return them."

NO, NO, NO. Why does everyone turn this into HIS clothes and HER clothes? It's THEIR clothes (the kids). Don't worry about what they wear! They'll wear whatever they feel like putting on that day.

There are no 'nice' clothes and 'rags'. Both homes share all the clothes. If one parent buys clothes, he/she splits the articles up with the other parent. Both sides get NEW clothes.

Wow, I can't believe all of the selfishness over childrens clothing...



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