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If you ever were in a position to get married again, would you do a prenup agreement? I always thought these were so tacky, and hinted at a relationship that wasn't solid. But, now I'm starting to change my mind. I'm getting raked over the coals in this divorce, and would never want this to happen to me again. |
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Really wouldnt have helped me. I didn't have anything before we got married, she got everything and I don't have anything after we got divorced. It's like I was on a deserted island for 10 years and now have to adjust to normal life again and start all over. Prenupe next time? .. naaah if I think I need a prenupe then I just won't get married. What can I say 'a fool and his money are soon parted'. |
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If I'm thinkin' prenup.........I'm not think about gettin' married. Think about that for a while and you'll get your answer. For the record as numbs has stated in another post a prenup is not as binding as the love for children. |
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I really doubt I'll gt married again...no real reason too. I can live in sin and still have a good time! |
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yes, but it wouldn't be so much a standard prenup. I would have a written agreement that we would be required as a couple to take a couples class and or counseling at least once or more a year, etc. Essentially something to ensure that we continue to communicate as a couple, etc. |
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I like that idea, ferg. Classes and stuff. Good answer. |
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Yes I would. I don't understand the issue with prenups. If your in it for the person why would you even care or want their money ? |
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Yes I would. |
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Quote: Agreed. I don't have any children and don't plan on having any and I'm not a super religious person. So I don't see any real reason to get married again. Have a serious relationship? Sure. Make some type of commitment? Sure. Get married again? Why bother! |
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Absolutely, and I have a prenup. my parents don't have to worry that any money they give me will ever end up in the hands of my husband's ex because she has figured out a way to sneak it out of us for the sake of the kids... if I give to the kids its of my own free will and not because I didn't have a prenup. When I die, my half of our community estate goes first to him for his lifetime, but then to my brother's son... and NOT to my husband's kids unless I choose to change that in my will. In a yours-mine-ours setup, it's almost vital to have a prenup. Do you REALLY want your adult kids losing out of inheritance because his kids are under the age of 18 at the time you pass away? Or maybe your separate and adult kids in college lose out on inheriting becasue your child in common is under 18 at the time? If you've been an adult for a while, you may have accumulated some property. It would be NICE to be able to use your life savings to ... well, maybe put a down payment on a house for the two of you... but if you do that without a pre-nup or contract explaining it, then what you are doing is donating your life savings to him (or whoever decides to come in and claim it against him... an ex... a parent or sibling if he dies... a kid who may not care for you, the stepparent... or even a stranger who sues him for unknown reasons). My husband's family owned a company when he married his ex. THe family ownership agreement required each of them to risk thier assets in furtherance of the company's best interests. If they did not invest thier personal assets in the business then they could not own it. They were so sure it would be a good investment that they all agreed to this. His ex, however, refused to agree. She believed she shoudl get a share just by marrying into it and she should never have to risk her own money (she had none, but she wanted to keep her own earnings separate and call it her own)... She wanted the benefits of owning it without the risks. That was not an option. You either totally bought into it or you didn't own it. Since she refused ot sign a prenup, so he had to sell his share of the business back to his parents before they got married. In the end, it was for the best. After 20 years in business (and just before the divorce) the business got sued and all the OTHER family members who were still part of it had to declare bankruptcy. Thier houses are in foreclosure and the only reason they've still got places to live is the tangle of creditors can't figure out who gets the money once the houses sell (IF the houses ever sell, which has been a problem also). This lawsuit hit some of them at retirement age. Continuing to work is not an option. They're very lucky that they had been able to protect some of their retirement/pension assets from bankruptcy through some sort of account they set up for themselves, but it's a tiny amount and they're going to be living in near poverty through thier retirement. Yes, for a long time they lived a high life... (As it turns out, the ex never saw the fact that she was protected from this bankruptcy... it seems she thought she'd met a rich man with a rich family and when he sold back his share of the business she was furious with him, and from the honeymoon on she vowed to get even with him for it. Demanding a divorce on a regular basis, treating him like dirt. For the first several years apparently he tried to make it up to her... and he felt she couldn't be serious... no one could seriously be that angry at not getting a free ride in life just for getting married... but apparently she was... as she never let up. They had kids and she repeatedly demanded that he should earn more money... she held the kids over his head like little ATM machines that would work for her and repeatedly threatened divorce, telling him where to send his paycheck when he left... She seemed to feel no embarassment at acting so nasty, even to the point of jumping him and hitting, biting, etc., from behind on a regular basis till she figured out that this didn't hurt him at all and he could be hurt worse by her using the kids... Even when they divorced, she demanded an unbeleiveable amount of money as alimony despite that she earns a respectable salary, herself... suggesting that his family still had all this money and he could live off them... refusing even to believe that his family had declared bankruptcy (even though this is public record). It's a little crazy. The money-grubbing she went through, and apparently felt the RIGHT to go through... because she refused to sign a pre-nup. And now he's married to me. And they have kids. And she's working really hard to make the kids hate me. DO YOU THINK I'd EVER allow a dime of my hard-earned life savings... a DIME of my PARENT"S hard-earned life savings... to go to HER? NOT A CHANCE. I married HIM and HE gets the benefit of living with the advantages that my life savings can get him... but SHE will NEVER get it. The prenup protects me from her... protects my parents' earnings from her... keeps things separate for us and our heirs if something happens to us or the marriage even if I choose to use it to give us a nice life. There may come a time when I feel charitable enough towards his children that I'd like them to have my stuff if I pass away. But NOW... with the attitudes they show towards thier Dad with their mother egging them on? Not a chance. And if I didn't have anything before I married him... if he didn't have anythign before he married me... I'd STILL want a prenup. I'd want it CLEAR that we were dividing up our assets 50-50 if anything happened to the marriage in normal circumstances. I'd want to spell out that if someone cheated and THAT ended the marraige, taht the assets would THEN be divided 80-20 in favor of the one cheated upon... I'd want to spell out that if we had kids and neither of us ever abused the kids or moved more than an hour away, that we would share their time 50-50. I'd want to make certain any gifts or inheritances that I got from my parents would be used as THEY wanted rather than as my hsuband watned if something happened to me. Prenups are not as awful as people think they are. They can show your partner that you love them, that you will give up STUFF if you dare to cheat... that you will trust them as a full-fledged parent of the kids and work to keep things amicable if you split. THey can show your spouse that you intend to not use thier money for your own fun, or their parent's money... No, it's not the sexy part of romance... but it's an important thing to discuss finances, and a pre-nup can and should be part of that discussion more often than not. I mean, unless you're both 18 years old, have no kids from previous marriages, have no parents giving you money or potentially giving an inheritance... then great... walk down the aisle in total sexy romantic lustful love with dreams of bouncing babies on your lap and sharing everything forever with no thought of death or divorce or lawsuits or ex-wives wanting your money or any other money issues... but for MOST people, a pre-nup is simply one of the less romantic aspects of figuring out how to merge your lives and prove taht you can trust each other. |
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OMG...that has to break a record for length of a post! |
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Sorry Julia, I type fast & dont' edit. |
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I would most definitely do a pre-nup. For all the reasons Gigi stated, I would do it. There's just too much at stake with accumulated assests and children. |
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Yes, I would require a prenup if I were to get married again. I feel it's the responsible thing to do when children from a previous marriage are involved. |
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Oh heck yeah and I would keep our money as separate as can be. No joint accounts, no joint investments - other than a home perhaps, nothing. |
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If I go into the marriage feeling a need to do a prenup, I don't need to get married. If I'm going to get married again, I need to trust this person 100%. A prenup basically says, I trust you 99.9%. And that's not enough for me to do this dance again. |
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We are gonna have to hangout someday. Rational thought for the day........Marriage is not a business..........stay single and enjoy the money if that makes you happy. Instead of a prenup try a will. |
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I think that the fact that marriage is not a business is exactly why I would suggect a prenup and separate finances. Obviously when you marry someone you don't expect them to change, and you don't expect your relationship to change either. Life happens, people change, relationships change. If there is no money involved in that situation then perhaps it relieves the stress on both. I have a close friend who's wife has recently been diagnosed with bi-polar disorder - he wanted to stick by her and help her through it. But her response was to refuse treatment and have an affair. 8 years ago he could have never predicted this illness or its affect on either of them. Now in her mental haze she is demanding hundreds of thousands in alimony - and spending hundreds of thousands trying to get her lawyer to get it for her. Prenups just remove that element from the relationship so that people can focus on their thoughts and feelings and not on what each is worth, IMHO. |
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Marriage may not be a business, but it's a huge financial commitment and worth being clear about up front. Also, nothing is ever 100%. If you wait till you're 100% on ANYTHING, you'll never get anything accomplished in this life. No one is ever 100% ready for marriage, 100% ready for kids. And if they think they are, they're kidding themselves or totally unaware of what they're getting themselves into! My stepkids believe they're 100% ready to take on adult decisions such as sex, partying all night, choices on college and sports and whether or not to do homework. THier mother encourages them to be 100% making their own decisions and refuses ot exert her discipline as a mother. As a result, these 14 & 16 year old kids are failing in school because they forget thier homework, staying out all night, exhausted all day, and clearly going to get into trouble sooner or later (and my husband can't convince them that it's not wise to let them jsut be this unsupervised on a regular basis). They think they're 100% ready to make these decisions becuase they have no idea of the consequences of the decisions. They dont' have the background or life experience to have a clue of the consequences of their decisions. If you ever think you're 100% on something, be afraid... be VERY afraid... you're probably missing some vital information, like my stepkids are missing vital information on the consequences of their decisions. I say it's much better to have your eyes open and financial expectations clear before you walk into a marriage, to acknowledge that it's not always 100% and may from time to time require discussion, compromise, etc. A prenup provides clearity to this. |
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Hubby never asked for a pre-nup, although I did suggest at one point that he go ahead and have one drawn up. I am glad that he chose not to simply because I feel we have more of a partnership that's not defined by what is his and what is mine. I would have signed one that had been clearly spelled out in terms of not just what's his is his and mine is mine but how to determine the responsibility that we have towards keeping things that way or some type of fair reimbursement for helping the other further their investment and also covering the kids. The other legality is covered by our wills and life insurance policies. I have 3 children with two ex's and will soon have 2 children with hubby. If something happens to just me, the children will all go live with their dads...if something happens to both me and my hubby then I have 2 children that would be orphans and thus need more $$ to be raised to age 18 then the 3 that have fathers that will support them. |
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No, I did not do a prenup when I remarried. My Mom wanted me to. I told her why marry if you think the person is going to screw you over? We did a Living Trust. If I die before my husband, all assets are his until he dies, then any remaining assets would be divided between his daughter and my 3 children. We aren't rich, but we have a nice home and live comfortably. If in the end there is nothing left, I really am fine with that. Neither of us feel that our duty is to insure that our children win the death lottery. If they end up with some money it means we ran out of time to spend it and they are welcome to it. We gave our children great foundations to build their own lives and financial well being from. We got to where we are by our own hard and dedicated work. We feel our adult children are capable of doing that also. The only way this marriage will end is when one of us dies. Something about being in your mid 50's when you remarry and knowing what you want and what it takes to have a loving and successful marriage. I personally will not marry again. It wouldn't be fair to the next man to be constantly compared to "heaven on earth." |
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yes. the emotions that go along with divorce are bad enough. throw in the $$ and property and custody aspects. it's really jsut too MUCH! Plus the time and $$ involved in a long drawn out divorce. THAT i dont wwant to go through ever EVER again. but right now i might be a bit jaded. |