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theanswerguy
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The abusive female
      #109363 - 06/01/07 12:30 AM (64.12.117.10)
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How men are abused :

1. The destruction of the reputations of her victims. This is usually done in the first instance by carrying out a whispering campaign of false and malicious allegations amongst close friends of the perpetrator. This campaign is then broadened to friends of the victim. This has the effects of destroying the victims credibility and making the victim feel surrounded by hostility. The abuser has gathered a "gang" of supporters. The manipulation of the gang is often through seeking sympathy for some false charge against the abuser or, by telling gang members the victim has/or is planning, to do something against one or more members of the gang. Another technique is to discover what the victim loves to do and set out to destroy it. In the case of where the victim enjoys making or collecting things, for example. Personal damage to property is very common, or turning others against the victim so the victim can no longer participate in their chosen hobby or activity.

2. Vocal attacks. Having set the scene with the whispering campaign, the abuser and those she has manipulated now begin to vocalize their accusations. Often the stream of accusations will be deeply personal and tailored to create maximum fear in the victim. A male victim of this attack, for example, may be accused of being a child molester or rapist. He may be accused of attempting to start an affair with someone else's partner. Getting him fired from his job is another technique reported by victims. Even personal family members can be duped by female abusers into believing the "real" abuser is the victim.

3. Violent attacks. The female abuser will use violence in several different ways. She will often manipulate others to attack the victim on her behalf. This may involve angering other males with false allegations ( "He [the victim] said he wants to have sex with your little daughter. He said he is going to attack you one night when you come home from work. He said you are a homosexual," etc..). It may take the form of personal physical attacks on the victim; trying to goad him into hitting her so that charges will be brought. It may take the form of a false allegation to the police such as a rape allegation, child molestation allegation, etc.. Though not physically violent, these allegations, where they are false, are certainly violent in nature and are calculated to bring maximum fear and distress to the victim. Paying others to hurt her victim is also a means by which female abusers attack their partners, as is the administration of toxic or poisonous substances. Spitting into food is very common. Victims report commonly that they are ambushed by their abusers. Men are often violently attacked when they are sleeping, sitting on the toilet, have their backs turned to the victim, have children in their arms and are thus rendered powerless to defend themselves. The throwing of hot liquids such as fat, boiling water, coffee and tea etc.., are also reported often. Other weapons include; baseball bats, knives, forks, garden implements, pieces of wood or metal, household furniture items, car jack handles, plates and cups being thrown, etc..

4. Using children to abuse males. This is by far one of the most common and disgusting forms of abuse there is and it is an almost exclusively female form of abuse. Though there are always exceptions to every rule, the exceptions in this case are rare indeed.

All abusers, irrespective of gender, seek control over their victims. They actively look for things in the lives of their victims that are vulnerable to attack. For female abusers, the bond between a father and his children is a natural target for abuse. It is the one target that can reduce a man to a shadow of his former self within weeks. It can cement the abusers need for domination over her victim so solidly and so completely that he will do anything she desires of him . Abusers are well aware of this fatherly bond and the power of it. The bond is the perfect target and yes, they will often do all they can to destroy it. Just threatening to destroy it is often enough to guarantee a compliant victim. What is often even harder to bear is watching an abusive female turning the hearts of the children against the father.

5. Manipulation of the authorities. A sobbing female who appears to be in great distress can have a powerful effect on police officers and judges etc.. Female abusers are very aware of this. They will change from aggressive abusers to helpless looking "victims" at the drop of a hat. Untrained police officers etc. will easily be taken in. Tragically, this can result in the victim being arrested and removed from the house while the children are left behind with a female abuser. Within abusive relationships men report that female abusers are incredibly skilled at emotional and mental destruction of their victims. Constant false or exaggerated accusations can leave the victim feeling disoriented, confused, angry, fearful and depressed. This is amplified when the abuser has manipulated others into joining in with this abuse. Another technique that has been observed is the abuser will constantly criticise everything the victim tries to do with respect to the home, children, personal habits, work related matters, handling of money, personal appearance, hobbies and interests, friends, sexual performance, D.I.Y, personal tastes such as art, movies, television programs and on and on. The list is almost endless.

Personal verbal attacks that are designed to rob the victim of confidence are also very common. The victim will told over and over again that he is useless at anything he tries to do. Phrases such as, "Men are all stupid." "Men are all bastards." "Men only want one thing." Become personalised into, "You are stupid." "You are a [censored]." Etc. It would seem that the abuser is justifying herself by thinking that if society tolerates these sexist remarks against men there must be validity in her using them. However, she fails to see that by personalising them in this way she is being abusive.

Constant lying and deceit is another common theme male victims report.

6. Destruction of personal property. The abuser will empty a bank account or deliberately damage a vehicle so that it cannot be legally driven. Clothing will be destroyed. All techniques to prevent the victim being able to escape, or continue working, or socializing. The destruction of personal documents such as birth certificates, passports, photographs of loved ones, heirlooms, drivers licences and medical prescriptions is very common.

7. Threats . A common theme that male victims report are when the abuser makes threats to involve them in legal fights that will bankrupt them and cause them to lose their business or home if they do not conform to the abusers wishes. These threats may be anything from blackmail to removing the children to another state . A common threat is to throw the victim out of the house by falsely reporting abusive behaviour to the police. Using children as weapons of abuse is extraordinarily common. Self harming, false rape allegations, simulating fear of the victim and then calling the police are also reported techniques.

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Re: The abusive female [Re: theanswerguy]
      #109372 - 06/01/07 01:59 AM (68.110.71.127)
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I REALLY want the citation for this one.

It's VERY on target, and I want to see what else this person has written. There are some things about it that are a little disjointed so I want to check & see if you've cut out some parts of the cited text that might help me reference some things.

Of the things listed, my husband experienced all but maybe 2 during his own marriage, and those two, she pulled out ALL the stops during the divorce.

And I've got another friend who is going through it right now. Actually, a friend of a friend. My friend knows I am interested in this stuff so she asked me about her husband's friend's situation and from talking ot her about what his stbx is doing and has done, it's uncanny how much it mirrors what happened to my husband when he was going through his own divorce, and what this article described.

If we knew the origin of this study we might be able to figure out if it can be used to help stop the stupid stuff that is resulting from this abuse.

Please, please, please... the cite &/or author?


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Re: The abusive female [Re: theanswerguy]
      #109428 - 06/01/07 11:06 AM (208.27.203.126)
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Thank you. It is very nice to see the perspective fron the men being abused by woman. Men need more outlest for help when they find themselves in an abusive relationship.

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Re: The abusive female [Re: gigi]
      #109606 - 06/02/07 12:36 AM (64.12.117.10)
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It was written by George Rolph , I editedt for content but tried to keep the spirit of the piece . You can find it at both ifeminists.com & mediaradar.org .

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Abusive Female VS Unaware Male (until too late) [Re: theanswerguy]
      #110681 - 06/08/07 10:50 PM (76.108.210.91)
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If you're wondering why you just can't seem to make her happy this might be your answer.

Excerpt:
Most abusers lack empathy. They dehumanize and treat people like inane objects, extensions of themselves, or instruments to be played as they wish. Physical, psychological, verbal and sexual abuses are all forms of dehumanization and objectification. They view their victim as nothing more than a comfortable, old chair that can be easily discarded should it become uncomfortable. In other words, their level of comfort is their only concern and they will sell you down the river to hold onto that comfort.

http://divorcesupport.about.com/od/abusiverelationships/f/abuse1.htm

Subtle Abuse-very good article
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0838/is_n65/ai_12694490
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Rarely have I heard an individual say, "Yes, I am verbally abusive." Yet, so often people will say, "I'm just expressing my feelings." This is one way we have of granting ourselves the license to abuse.

Subtle abuse of this sort can lead to depression, chemical abuse, divorce, infidelity, gambling, drinking, suicide, smoking, overeating, even unhappiness. That's right, verbal provocations can cause a person to act nuts.

http://www.narcissism101.com/

excerpt:

has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes


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Re: Abusive Female VS Unaware Male (until too late) [Re: EZmark]
      #111333 - 06/13/07 10:51 AM (68.99.223.126)
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I wish I had known all this prior to choosing a mate. I'm not sure how to do it, but I will have to have a talk to my son before he gets involved with a woman like this. A talk like this to a son is as important as the bird and bees talk, if not more so.

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Re: Abusive Female VS Unaware Male (until too late [Re: LoveChild]
      #111740 - 06/15/07 03:20 PM (32.97.110.142)
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A talk like this to a son is as important as the bird and bees talk, if not more so.
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Exactly what I plan to do. Isn't it ashame? And if you really think about all the ways our government is trying (haha!) to make things better, they are really doing the opposite affect. I read the following article today:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/06/14/dl1402.xml

In particular, read this part:

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The figures are stark and astonishing: because of the huge bias in favour of single parenthood that prevails in the tax credit system, a single mother with two children under the age of 11 who works 16 hours a week on the minimum wage, receives, largely thanks to tax credits, an income of £487.

A two-parent family, on the other hand, also with two children under 11, in which either one or both partners works for the minimum wage, would have to put in a total of 116 hours a week to take home the same income.
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Re: Abusive Female VS Unaware Male (until too late [Re: stoltz]
      #111748 - 06/15/07 03:40 PM (68.110.71.127)
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you suggest "our government" is doing badly in handling child support issues, and you cite a british article as an example of poor government intervention.

If I recall, you were from Texas. Since when did Texas become part of the British governmental structure? Or do you disapprove of ALL government actions?

And if you disapprove of ALL of the government's attempts to do the right thing, then what WOULD you suggest they do? I saw a recent post where you suggested the government shoudl get OUT of divorce? How do you propose this shoudl happen? You get to walk out on your wife, leave her destitute if you're in the mood to do so, hiding all the money, never pay her a cent, and see the kids if & when you're in the mood (or if & when she's in the mood to let you?) Government can't get out of divorce until all people are guaranteed to do the right thing with thier own personal divorce issues.


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Re: Abusive Female VS Unaware Male (until too late [Re: gigi]
      #111753 - 06/15/07 03:58 PM (205.188.116.79)
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Welcome back Gigi , where ya been ?

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Re: Abusive Female VS Unaware Male (until too late [Re: gigi]
      #111758 - 06/15/07 04:36 PM (32.97.110.142)
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you suggest "our government" is doing badly in handling child support issues
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No I didn't (at least, not in the post you are responding to).

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If I recall, you were from Texas. Since when did Texas become part of the British governmental structure? Or do you disapprove of ALL government actions?
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Gigi, the two countries are almost identically aligned when it comes to many socialist issues - divorce, welfare, child support, child custody - to name just a few. Are they 100%, EXACTLY the same? In some areas, yes - others, no.

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How do you propose this shoudl happen?
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Just by getting out. As the previous poster said, why are their hands so removed from the marriage aspect, yet 180-degrees when it comes to divorce? Do both or neither.


Edit: BTW, everyone should read the following about one man's "pleasurable" experience with the court system here in the USA - http://www.perkel.com/pbl/married/index.htm

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