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Guess I'll ask this here. Trying to decide on a lawyer to contact to get an initial consultation. Not everyone knows my story, but essentially a situation of wife with a lot of psychiatric problems and my concern with getting custody of our young son and keeping him in a safe situation, as well as trying to hang on to our home. So, since there are about a bazillion lawyers in the yellow book, need some help there.
Should I go with some guys who tout themselves as being "husband advocates", or could this hurt me somehow?
Never done this lawyer thing before, so do I need to get one that is in my county or does that matter?
Can I expect to get a lot of good questions answered in an initial consultation, or do they do it just to get you hooked and not really give you anything very concrete up front?
Should I just look for someone who does the initial for free? I'm pretty budget restricted.
Any other pointers?
Thanks for any feedback.
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theanswerguy
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Guess I'll ask this here. Trying to decide on a lawyer to contact to get an initial consultation. Not everyone knows my story, but essentially a situation of wife with a lot of psychiatric problems and my concern with getting custody of our young son and keeping him in a safe situation, as well as trying to hang on to our home. So, since there are about a bazillion lawyers in the yellow book, need some help there.
Should I go with some guys who tout themselves as being "husband advocates", or could this hurt me somehow?
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone can claim that but you can find a few good ones in your area by checking out the lawyer referral at dadsdivorce.com .
Never done this lawyer thing before, so do I need to get one that is in my county or does that matter?
>>>>>>>>>>> You'll be charged for travel so it's a good idea to get one that works near the courthouse .
Can I expect to get a lot of good questions answered in an initial consultation, or do they do it just to get you hooked and not really give you anything very concrete up front?
>>>>>>>>>>> The good ones can tell you what's possible , not promise you the world . Stay away from the snake-oil salesmen and try to find one you have a good working relationship with . The most important thing you can do is educate yourself about family law in your state so that your attorney doesn't have to explain everything to you . Time is money .
Should I just look for someone who does the initial for free? I'm pretty budget restricted.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Always a good idea .
-------------------- Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right. Isaac Asimov
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Some great points, thanks much! Anyone else wiling to chime in, I'd appreciate it. But I'm going to follow it up with something else I probably should have asked in the first question:
What are the "must take" things I should have with me when I go to this initial consultation? Should I carry all my mortgage papers, bank records, car titles, etc etc etc with me when I go?
thanks again
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jbar
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Depending on your state, the records you mentioned--and tax returns--could give your lawyer an idea of how much property might be proveable as your seperate property, and perhaps a clue as to "who created the assets", a common point (of many) to be considered in dividing the assets in "equitable distribution" states. Inscrutably and outrageously, Texas is a community property state by statute, while also being an equitable distribution state by case law. Since the judge can take his pick of which law he likes, this means that it is really a de-facto "judicial tyranny" state. Thus, if you live here, it is more important to find a lawyer who is familiar with the local courts and with local judicial custom.
More importantly than "divison" of assets, I would be concerned about your wife's mental problems. If she is not presently working, I would do everything I could to get her trained if she needs it, and get her a job. The worst thing that could happen would be for a court to order a mental assessment of her with a resultant conclusion that she is too ill to work, needs to be hospitalized, and even is incompetant to handle her own affairs and requires a court-appointed "guardian" (crony of the judge) to represent her in all legal matters--and "care for her best interests". You could end up paying for all of these things in addition to whatever division of assets would otherwise have occured. If she is already successfully working, however, this would make it much less likely the court might come to such a conclusion, less likely it would order alimony, and less likely it would "give"* her all of your money ("equitable" distribution) because of her supposed much greater "need"!
One last point: I would try to see as many attorneys for free or even minimal cost initial consultations, as possible, and take notes. You might be surprised at how many different opinions you get!
* That is, of course, after taking it away from YOU
Disclaimer: Not legal advice
Edited by jbar (10/19/07 02:50 AM)
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Actually, she is on disability right now, and from what I'm seeing, I don't see her working any time soon. But that's one question I need answered is what my liability to her would be, particularly if I have custody of our child. Seems like if I have custody, then I would be due some sort of CS, and then turning around and paying HER support would just be returning the money back to her again. Doesn't make sense to me, but then there are many things I've seen on here and other sites that don't make sense to me, so that's why I need to talk to someone and find out what the deal is.
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It takes a different strategy to represent a man than a woman in divorce. Be sure your prospective lawyer has appropriate experience.
You need to be wary of lawyers who offer a free consultation. The good lawyers are often the busy lawyers.
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From what I've been reading, fully agreed regarding strategy. Do you just simply ask outright if they have very many husbands they've represented? I would guess that calling in I'd talk to some phone answerer person, so not sure they'd be able to answer that question accurately. Would be something that would be good to know BEFORE paying for a consultation. At any rate, ok, taking my notes on stuff to look for. thanks
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Do as many "free consults" as time will allow you.
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gigi
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Give them a bit o fthe picture, then ask what their position would be in representing YOU... on alimony, custody, parenting time, support & property division. Know, ahead of time some general guidelines. Where they are undercutting the guidelines as you know them, in every area, ask details of how they intend to get this stuff for you. In areas where it seems they're explaining that you're asking for too much, ask why.
If you don't understand either explanation, don't go with them. You don't want a snake-oil salesman who is trying to convince you that he can make your dreams come true, only to find it won't happen in the end. You also don't want someone who is working so hard to make you compromise that you're not comfortable with the compromises they're asking (and maybe that type of lawyer has represented too many members of the opposite sex & has some prejudices working against them).
Get someone who regularly practices in your courthouse, which generally means in your county or city. That person will know the customs in teh courthouse, whether or not the judge gets roaring mad at a paper filed a day late or whether he could care less... whether the judge follows the guidelines or prides herself on being a maverick & doing something unusual.
Don't go with the oldest dude around, they're good, slick sales types with high prices & an oppositional attitude (sometimes even offensive or sexist), and everyone in the courthouse knows them when they walk in. They make a good show in front of their clients, but it's not necessarily goign to pay off in results.
Be careful about a large firm that might hand your file off to other attorneys for minor hearings, even major meetings like settlement conferences & such. Be just as careful about a solo practitioner who has problems with their communication system. If they are always availabel by internet, then who cares if their receptionist takes long lunches, but if you can't reach them at all & they never return their calls till a week later, you might have someone who is too disorganized to handle this, or too busy with otehr cases.
You need someone who has been doing this at least 3 years... FAMILY law. Not someone who just switched from criminal or writing wills or whatever. You want them to know the basics immediately. Don't expect anyone to know the more difficult issues right off the top of their head. If they pretend to know, ask when is the last time they dealt with a similar issue & tell you teh story of what happened... it's reasonable for them to knwo your particular situation if they handled a memorable case involving it, but there are SO MANY different issues and details in a divorce, no one lawyer can pretend to have all the answers at their fingertips.... the basics, like what are standard visitation, standard property settlements, standard procedures... yep, if they've been doing it a few years, they should know this, but the intricate details, be careful if they pretend ot have snap answers too easily.
Oh, and they should be familiar with explaining to you waht is the next step that you need to take, and teh various steps you need to anticipate before this is over with... the steps are kind of like a flow chart... make one move, and depending upon the rusults of that move, you may be making one of two moves next, and then next, and next. Some go straight from start to finish without a whole lot of branches, other divorces branch out all over the place, but the basic, most likely processes should be easy for them to explain to you.
Someone who pays to advertise that they represent husbands certainly WANTS to get husbands on their caseloads, but that doesn't always mean they're good at it. It's good for you to talk to them if they'll give you a few minutes & see if they answer your questions the way you want, but you might be better off with someone who represents both sides equally, no one at the courthouses (particualrly the judges) will be rolling their eyes & expecting a cookie-cutter pursuit of your case.
Oh, and about the old dudes... I started to talk about posturing in front of their clients. It's a great way to get more business, but not such a great way to get the right thing to happen for your case. They can yell & bluster & stride around thinking up dirty tricks & accusing other people of nasty things, but this is often just a show. The judges will politely listen & smile because they know the lawyer is putting on a show for their client, but the show does not change the evidence.
No lawyer can work miracles, don't go with one who claims they can... theyr'e stuck with the situation you present to them and what you want is the lawyer who can effectively get through the process so taht your WHOLE position can be presented to the judge. No dirty tricks will help this happen, and ... well, like theparents who try the "alienating" trick, these things often backfire.
Oh, and ask if they can explain how in the world people afford their services. If they promise that your ex will pay for anything, if she does anything wrong that you'll get attorney's fees... well... that's usually unrealistic. People always ASK for attorney's fees to be paid by the other party, particualrly when the other one has been a jerk... but some people are all focused on hwo the fees will be so expensive, that they forget that they'll lose HALF THEIR HOUSE if they don't have their lawyer doing this work for them! Not that an expensive lawyer can pull any dirty tricks & find a way to get teh whole house, but you really don't want to find yourself unprotected & facing someone else's dirty tricks and maybe LOSING your fair share. So even if they agree, "sure, we'll put in a request for attorney's fees", make certain they're not wroking to convince you to pay them now because they'll make certain your ex pays you back for it later... that's just unrealistic... I saw a $50,000 lawyer bill once, and the jduge said, "yep, he should pay you back part of that for making you need teh laweyr for extra time"... and how much did the judge order the ex to pay my friend??? $500... that's FIVE HUNDRED of a FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLAR lawyer bill.
To be fair, $50,000 is a huge amount and was only mostly necessary because her ex DID, in fact, try to sell the house out from under her & force her to move. And even the judge thought her ex was being a total jerk... but the judge just gave him a slap on the wrist... a SYMBOL of the fact that he had been a naughty boy... rather than a real, realistic penalty of making him pay for what his nastiness actually cost his ex.
So... ask how people pay for the fees, but be leery about anyone who claims that they get the ex to pay them all... ask what they intend to recommend you do about the various issues, and be careful abotu anyone who promises too much or too little... and avoid big divorce mills, little overworked & under-organized solos, babes in the woods and old dudes doing it as a hobby rather than retiring.
Finally, find someone who cares about your case and your child enough to try to help you figure out a way to offer for your ex to have tiem with the child without causing harm. And if this person is willing to say stuff that you might not want ot hear, that's probably one who is being honest with you about what the results might be.
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jbar
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=========================================================== Give them a bit o fthe picture, then ask what their position would be in representing YOU...(+1,315 MORE WORDS!) ===========================================================
Gigi, get real. Hasn't it ever occured to you that I could be RIGHT in my oft-repeated argument here against "marital assets", the divorce industry and the lawyerization of domestic relationships? How can anyone in their right mind presume to give a normal, honest person with little or no knowledge of the aforementioned vileness, such advice as contained in your long post about distinguishing "snake oil salesmen" from good lawyers and blustering old fools who only put on a good show for their clients and the judge from the first two, while charging $50,000.00 retainers. If this kind of absolute, unmitigated trash is what a man is supposed to be happy with having to confront, just because his wife is divorcing him, then I humbly submit that the whole thing is of, by and for the Devil and should be totally shunned by any honest person who believes in justice, as should anyone else be so shunned who advocates it, profits from it or even thinks it can be fixed without completely starting over. This man may have a heart condition, may have slaved his entire life for his assets, and could even be subject to sudden death if forced to endure too much stress. I could write a post at least as long as yours was, further describing the supreme corruption, greed and political demagoguery which forces good people to face such outrages daily.
Try to imagine, instead, a world in which "the law" intrudes its big, ugly, demagogic nose into the private lives of people, in what should be the very most private aspect of their lives--their domestic relationships--ONLY for purposes of protecting the welfare of children and public health. In this world, which I contemplate daily, no arbitrary "contracts" would be assigned to anyone by the government, and if any party wanted such a contract they could insist on it with the other party and negotiate the terms they desire, or WALK OUT ON THEM! I have previously elaborated somewhat on this clear, basic idea, but the concept remains elegantly simple and just. I have indirectly asked you this before, but I would like to ask you now in the most direct manner possible: WHAT WOULD BE WRONG WITH THIS, EXCEPT THAT MANY DIVORCE LAWYERS WOULD THEN HAVE TO FIND HONEST WORK (including the old fools and snake-oil salesmen)??
Edited by jbar (10/20/07 04:36 AM)
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