amos459
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My friend is out of money and must go Pro se' His stbx wants maintenance for life. She worked most of the time they were married but stopped when the third child was born. When back to work three years ago part time. The divorce has been draging on almost three years. She keeps firing her lawyers. So botom line youngest is 9 going on ten she has been working part time for three years out of work for six. The marrage would have been 17 years but the last three have been a divorce nightmare. In Illinois what may he be facing for maintenance and child support
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Jada
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[quote]My friend is out of money and must go Pro se' His stbx wants maintenance for life. She worked most of the time they were married but stopped when the third child was born. When back to work three years ago part time. The divorce has been draging on almost three years. She keeps firing her lawyers. So botom line youngest is 9 going on ten she has been working part time for three years out of work for six. The marrage would have been 17 years but the last three have been a divorce nightmare. In Illinois what may he be facing for maintenance and child support [/quote]
Need more info. What is the income difference between the two?
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amos459
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Well at this point a lot of difference he's at about 48K gross and she is working part time, not sure on income can't be too much. But she worked in the past and made fair money 9 years ago 23K. Her boys that are at home are 17 and 9. The 18 year old chose to live with us. He is still under a temp order paying for the 18 year old in cs. We are going pro se and pre trial is set for April 8 th. She has dragged this out three years. The judge wants it it over. She has been through 9 lawyers. He filed Bankrupcy as she accumulated huge debt he did not know about. They lost the house, but she was awarded 18K from the equity. Does that help? Can you provide any guidance? Thank you
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amos459
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Please don'y misunderstand me I am a single mom as well. I only wasnt what is fair and right for the children, She wants to destry her STBX, very bitter and actually a but off. He has no problem helping her but does not want ot be tied for life, nor do I. The kids love our place and are there all the time, she is not too kind to her children.
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gigi
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The 18 year old will probably be taken off the order at trial, but file a motion today to say he's 18 and chooses to live with you and therefore there should be no more support for that one, and request that support paid since his 18th birthday be refunded to you in an equalizing payment after the divorce is final.
It was a really long marriage so he'll probably owe some support, for about 1/3 to 1/2 of the length of the marriage, to her. But the court is less likely to order that if he ends up getting the kids, because one of the considerations in most states for spousal support is which of the spouses ended up with the additional obligation of keeping the kids in their house... and since the kids hang out at his house most of the time, he probably should consider asking for that parenting time plan to be officially changed, anyways, to reflect reality so that the child support calculation is not a sham (the sham being that it would LOOK like the kids are spending a whole lot more time with mother than they really do, so mother gets a whole lot more support than she should, and the person who is really taking care of them more often ends up with less money to do so because of the inflated support amount going to her.
Rest assured that even with the 2 remaining little ones, the 17 year old is not too far from emancipation as well, so this is not a "forever" commitment even if that one prefers to stay at Mom's house for the last year of high school. But for sure, if the little one is spending more time with youo, make certain that gets corrected in the final trial.
But with the bankruptcy, it's highly likely that he SHOULD not get the equity from the house. He's not supposed to be able to leave bankruptcy with property while giving the shaft to his creditors... and it sounds like she has creditors who will be coming after the equity, anyways.
Ordinarily, bankruptcy alone will cause a divorce to be delayed, so if the bankruptcy is not final, I'd be surprised if the judge allowed the case to proceed, and if your friend is the one who declared bankruptcy, well... HE is the one who caused that much of the delay. And frankly, if he declared bankruptcy separately without telling her or allowing her to join in on it, then it kind of gives her the shaft becasue the creditors he had who were given the shaft in the bankruptcy will simply go over to her since she was married to him at the time the debt was incurred, and will demand that SHE pay the shortage, so don't worry, she is going to be feelign quite a pinch as well.
If there were debts that did not show up on a credit report of him and so he didn't include them in his bankruptcy, the creditors are probably not goign to be allwoed to pop up in his life anyways even if the ex defaults... I assume these are debts she created after the filing of divorce? If so, then the creditors should not have a right to come after him... though that doesn't stop them from trying, for sure... they just can't legitimately recover from him... I had a friend this happened to... 10 years after the divorce he tried to buy a new car & was declined for credit because his ex had gotten a new credit card AFTER THE DIVORCE and apparently told them that she was married to him in order to get them to give her teh credit. She didn't pay it and they decided to some after him but they didn't ahve his address so it jus twent into default and they put it on his credit rating. It was a mess to fix, but the bottom line is taht it DID get fixed because it was NOT HIS CREDIT.
To prevent messes like this, your friend will want to run his own credit report before he goes to court and will want to get a release form from her so that he can run her full report before court, so that there is a full accounting of debts at the time of the final trial in the divorce.
Good luck.
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amos459
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thank you, The judge ordered joint bankrupcy she refused to cooperate. He is fine that she got the equtiy, he just wants out and time with his kids. I will have to read more and respond again later as I am pressed for time. Thanks I have more questions.
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ILMom
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I live in IL and I think this guideline of 1/3 to 1/2 of the marriage for spousal support isn't as common here as in other states. We are an equitable distribution state and I believe we also have rehabilative maintenance.
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amos459
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ok so The judge ordered BK and she did not comply, he did she got 18k and is still in debt. He got shit and is broke. She can work and has as a book keeper acct. assistant. She may need computor training to get up to speed. How long or what might happen for rehabilative maintenance.
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ILMom
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This situation is so fubared that I'm not sure what to say. Can't the judge just make a ruling and get over with it?
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amos459
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you know I have no idea why it has gotten this way. It is worse than i describe. As I said, i am a single mom divorced 13 years. I have a son. I see both sides' would never be with a man who does not meet his financial obligations. That being said. I am also for the children, parents can fight all they want. This woman does not care for her children well. This is not jut my opinion, but I have heard it from community members. Our kids go to the same schools.
Anyway I believe the judge is going to decide. She promised my friend it will be over. He has no more money so this is why we are going pro se. I am just trying to be as educated as possible. I feel we will only have one chance. The pretrial is April 8th. The trial the 23rd and 24th. I want him to be prepared.
He does not even have a holiday visitation schedule yet. He put in a motion for one we have a court date Jan 28th. Both of his lawyers were supposed to be good and really accomplished nothing, mostly because she fired all of hers when ever they told her to settle. She did not disclose her finances, she refused mediation. She did not attend the parenting classes the judge ordered. My friend has been deposed twice and is waiting for the third. He has exposed his financial, what little there is many times over. I really don't understand. But as I said the judge is really to make a decision. It will be three years April.
I have much documentation on visitation. Just a hint of her stupid shit. We spent over 2000 in lawyers bullshit so that we could take the kids to KY for their great grandmothers 95th birthday. Mind you at the time we had been living together with the judges approval for a year and a half. We waited for a year before the boys were introduced to my son and I. Eased them into the situation. At that point he had been out of the home for over two and a half years. Anyway she wrote a motion that we were not to share a room, due to the boys religious beliefs. Which was fine there were twenty of us going for the reunion and the last thing on our mind was sex. I slept in with his sister and her daughter. Fast forward to this past week. She called at 11:45am she is taking the kids and they will not make the nights visitation. Come to find out she has a boy friend and took the kids and his kids to a cottage. She and her new bF slept in the same room. I understand this has no bearing on the settlement but it is just wacked. He spent countless cash on phone calls to lawyers so he could have them some time for holidays, fathers day, thanksgiving Christmas. Just stupid. The boys now just come over. But if she finds out they get in trouble big time. The 16 year old blows her off but the 9 year old it's sad.
Any way any help is appreciated sorry to ramble but I am at my wits end. The boys are such good kids and their dad loves them so.
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