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got home today to find MIL came from 250 miles away for a surprise visit. Had an appt so had to turn around and go right out but called my mom to inform her of such since she just talked to my wife on the phone. Well here i find out that my wife told my mom that her mom would be coming out 'this week' but not to tell me. I did talk to my mom briefly last night after that but for whatever reason she didnt tell me. Also my mom was told about all the friends i've been going out with but DUH she already knew i actually was getting a life :) So while i dont know what all was said i'm sure it was said with malice
confronted wife in private and she said she never told my mom about coming this week (her mom) so she called my mom a liar. Obviously i'm gonnna tell my mom never to talk to her again under any circumstance.
when asked, my wife says could be a week or so that her mom is here. I let her know my displeasure of course. She knows i dont like surprises. well the house is a mess and i'm glad it is..she can see how bad her daughter keeps the house...
funny thing is neither know i'm off work tomorrow because of repair guy coming to the house and since her mom didnt think to tell us she was coming, i dont think i'll tell her about me staying home tomorrow :)
talked to my therapy dude about that and he thought it was interesting. I said id love to tell her mom about her drug abuse and other things and he said go ahead. So we shall see where this goes...wish she would take her daughter home with her! lol
so after her mom finally goes it sure is gonna get interesting around here...but so far i have a week from hell to look forward too..
at least my wife will have someone to talk to about the tv since i ignore her lol....
and i asked my wife why she goes in the kitchen to smoke but makes me smell it...she said dont start with me now..my mom has emphysema. So i guess when i get it, she will not smoke around me :)
it's also really weird, and i forget she did this, but her mom will look back here ever 2-3 minutes when she watches tv..its weird...doesnt say anything but just looks around. I noticed her one sis did that too so i guess runs in the family
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-------------------- call me WWIL...PA resident 39 year old , married 11 years, together 12...splitting in 13th year.
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gigi
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Now be careful not to trash your wife, but do explain that youv'e been more & more worried about her health as she smokes more, has fallen several times, the docs can't find anything but she keeps gonig back for pain medications and then saves them up to double up on the dosage, goes through entirely unmedicated times just so she can get the over-medicated opportunities. Explain that you're at your wit's end, wishing she'd just TRY, and you're doing all the working, earning, shopping, and caring for her... and as a full time caregiver AND full time breadwinner you'd sure love it if some of her family could make take the burden off from tiem to time.
Explain that you don't want ot say bad thingsa bout her, but you're at your wit's end frustrated and worried about her heath, and this paranoid stuff like inviting HER over for a week without telling you, it's kind of worrysome. I mean, you didn't even have the chance to clean or ... well, you've got workmen coming over & such.
And if your wife doesn't find a way to contribute something you see no way out other than to separate for good.
Tell her to watch her daughter & see for herself, the smoking, the refusal do help even in tiny ways around the house, the stockpiling of pills so she can get intoxicated half the time rather than simply lower her pain all of the time. And explain that you're not sure you are ready to do anything about it right now, but any suggestions would be welcome. At the moment, though, all you can think of is a trial separation... you've not had enough time or space to think about it, so that's waht you've come up with as the only reasonable option that you can envision. But of course the longer this goes on, the worse it gets, you feel like you're living in prision and at some point you're just going to want OUT.
Explain that you loved her so much at one point that it is killing you to watch her like this, but you have come to realize that you are not the right person to fix her, and you don't know what the solution is, but sitting here at home is not the solution.
I know you might not have this kind of relationship with your mother in law, but it's possible if you have your last ditch effort to save the marriage and make it bearable with her knowledge, at least she won't try to help her daughter pull AS MANY dirty tricks once the divore gets underway.
My husband's former inlaws all can't stand his ex, but he never explained to them what was going on, so when he finally left, she was able to blame the whole weirdness and nastiness that she'd shown for the past 2 decades all on him... and they bought it rather than admit that their own flesh & blood is really that nasty. Now, over time, the brothers & sisters have started to remember that the woman was ALWAYS like this, even before she met my husband, and they'd grown up with her acting nasty & weird... but the mother, she will probably never admit that her baby is like this becasue she raised her this way, so it's ALWAYS going to be my h usband's fault.
NOW, if he'd taken advantage of the fact that they kind of liked him better than her, before the separation, and had talked to them & explained stuff like it's not the way they raised her, it's the way she turned out NOW... and no one's fault, etc., etc... well, he'd hav ehad a chance.
It's important that the mother not think it has anything to do with the way she was raised... and nothing to do with anything you did to her... but that you're trying to HELP resolve the issues that were created by outside forces several years ago, and it's not working.
It might work, if she's not totally poisoned them against you.
What happened to my husband for not innoculating them against this, is that they all started conspiring to help his ex do hte wrong thing, they talked about divorce issues in front of the kids as i fit was all Dad's fault, for exmaple, and they told neighbors & acquaintances what a jerk he was... being at the wrong end of a nasty gossip campaign is NOT fun! and things ended up happening that in the end made his position not so good.
Don't let this happen to you. EVEN if you don't have this kind of relationship with the mother-in-law, consider finding a way to communicate this stuff to her.
NOTHING about the money... EVERYTHING about the pressure, the pain, the stress, the not having a day off and finally having to TAKE a day off from caretaking just to go find friends & do something other than watch TV all the time... EVERYTHING about how you feel so bad that she's always in pain but frustrated that you can't do anything about it and she doesn't even try, and EVERYTHING about how it's all the fault of some nasty event that no one could ahve prevented and ertainly Mama is not to blame. NOTHING about the money! OK?
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"it's also really weird, and i forget she did this, but her mom will look back here ever 2-3 minutes when she watches tv..its weird...doesnt say anything but just looks around. I noticed her one sis did that too so i guess runs in the family"
In-breeding..................I'm sorry I couldn't resist. You seem to have an edge about you now. Bout time I'm thinkin'.
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What will I lose
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well last night when wife left room said i'm worried about her to her mom. About her back all burnt up from her heating pad, about her doubling up on her patches, and just am worried. Then she started in about nutrasweet being bad for her etc.
i'm home today for a service guy to come and didnt tell her until i went to bed last night and i dont think her mom knew until this morning. Oops and her mom had to sleep on the sofa since i didnt have time to clean out the upstairs since i had NO warning she was coming. aww too bad so sad. Until they ask me i may not clean up the room. Then again taht means rest of the week i have to run into her mom on the sofa when i get up for work etc. And that isnt a fun thing so i may go clean the bed off for MY own sanity of not having to see her in the AM
-------------------- call me WWIL...PA resident 39 year old , married 11 years, together 12...splitting in 13th year.
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gigi
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Be good to Mom. Keep pointing out stuff you're worried about. Tell wife, in front of Mom, in the most loving and caring way, that you just don't know what to do, what with her taking $15,000 from the accounts (how much you wanna bet that Mom doesn't know about all this?), refusing to lift a finger or follow doctor's orders. Make certain you don't take a break this week. Show how much pure WORK it is just to keep her maintained and run back & forth to the store & kitchen & do her laundry and stuff.
Demonstrate for MOM that anyone, even a saint, would break under this pressure.
She doesn't have to know from YOU that you ALREADY broke... just let her figure out for herself that you're not being mean when the time comes that she sees that you did break... but make this week all about how caring and how much you tried.
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What will I lose
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moms the one that told her to move the money, she already told me that. But mom didnt knwo about her doubling up on patches and if i really get in a mean mood i may tell her that my wife tried to kill herself multiple times over the past 10 years and thats part of the reason i never wanted to leave her before. But now she seemed stable enough to leave
-------------------- call me WWIL...PA resident 39 year old , married 11 years, together 12...splitting in 13th year.
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gigi
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Please don't talk about the leaving right now. Talk to MOM about the staying. She needs to be brought into this to understand why you are leaving rather than think you're a bad guy. The suicide attempts might be worth letting her know about in a "well, if she ends up with you, you might need to knwo about this" and it will also give you an opening to discuss the stockpiling of medications & mis-use of it... just so she knows what to watch out for.
She needs to see you as the person who has tried to help her daugther through this so that she does not become a virulent hater of you during the split. My husband found that having the family NOT know the whole story, having them believe the ex that he is a total jerk/abusive/cheater ... made things harder... she simply had more support, more ways to attack him, and she FELT she had the upper hand in a lot of ways, which was not a good way to get reasonable negotiations done. She never agreed to a single thing, partly (I'm sure) becasue she's simply not capable of negotiation because of her own mental disorder, but also partly because the family was egging her on in the background and encouraging her to think that she was right on some of this stuff. Of course, they hadn't heard the whole story, and teh judge heard more of it than they heard, so she did NOT get the stuff that they might have THOUGHT she should get... and of course they all think the court system gave her the shaft...
But my hsuband wasn't holding his breath & hoping for her to give up more than what the court would say is her fair share, like you might be hoping for. My husband was SIMPLY hoping she'd stop the war and come to a reasonable agreement before they spent $100,000 of their joint funds on lawyers' fees and turned the kids into basket cases... and because she had the TOTAL and BLIND support of her family she never DID stop the war and come to her senses or a reasonable agreement, so between them they spent huge amounts of money that could have gone to either of them of be split, on legal fees... and the kids are on very weird paths... being set up for some strange financial problems in adulthood... Long story, weird issues, not worth dealing with right not... but you see my point?
If you at least make yourself a little sympathetic to the mother, make her understand how you came to this decision, bring her along to understand... then even though she will support her daughter, she might NOT advise more dirty tricks like stealing & hiding more money... she might NOT advise refusing to negotiate (like my husband's ex's family maybe did)... she might encourage her daughter to fight harder and demand more than ... well, then your wife would fight or demand... becasue your WIFE knows what part she has had to play in this breakup and she KNOWS that she's not been the perfect little victim... so on her own she might leave you with more than if her family would advise if they believe her to be a totally innocent little injury patient.
Are you getting me here? I'm trying to say STAY AWAY from your new friends, BE VERY PRESENT in the house this week... be the DOTING care-taker/husband... and show this mother that you are not the cheating ogre that you've been made out to be... you are NOT the person who deserves to have had someone advise that $15K be stolen from the accounts, because you were just trying to do the right thing and now without that $15K, there's no way to fix up the house to sell so that there is ZERO equity to split and if this is what her daughter wants to keep, then fine... but she can't get the house or any part of what seh THINKS it's worth, because it's worth NOTHING if you can't sell it and you can't sell it because of what she stole from the joint accounts... and by believing her baby that you are an ogre and advising her baby to steal this money, she might have been shooting her baby in the foot...
it's a tough concept to get and she has to be brought to it slowly, to be able to draw the conclusion on her own rather than have you tell her about it flat-out... becasue you are now the enemy and anything you SAY is suspicious... what you DO... however, is VITAL.
For ONE WEEK... keep your nose really clean, dote, caretake, be the good guy.. prove that you're not deserving of someone playing dirty tricks on... that you don't deserve mom & sis ganging up on you and advising wife of all kinds of dirty tricks to play.
This is one week out of your life, and could become a VERY important week.
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What will I lose
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oh i wont be seeing a friend until monday and heard she will be leaving by then....i heard she asked a friend in the area for an atty so hopefully my wife will go see one this week.
i've come to a decision not to even talk about the D unless it gets brought up to me
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Ever think that the mom is there to bring her to the attorney?
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What will I lose
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nope and the reason i think that is
1. after prodding my wife told me that 2 sources hadnt come thru with attys
2 since the mom just called to find one now, instead of already having it planned out, the reason for the trip wasnt explicitly to find atty....but of course i'm glad it turns out that she is trying.
-------------------- call me WWIL...PA resident 39 year old , married 11 years, together 12...splitting in 13th year.
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