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guys: how far do you go telling her the reason?
      #188541 - 03/21/08 12:10 PM (12.76.67.222)
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summary for those not following my case (GREATLY simplified but you'll get the idea): disabled wife since 2000 and she has barely lifted a finger to help herself, i did it 'all' for all these years and wont even take simple doctor advice that her body will not heal until she quits smoking. As i cant sit her and watch her slowly die, I'm leaving. She also doesnt want me to have any life outside the house and i just cannot be her total world anymore since 2 depressed people in a house is not a good thing.

So last night she asked me yet again if there is anything she can do to save the marriage. She has a strong hint i'll be filing soon since she told me the other day she wont hire an atty until i do file. I started telling her again why i'm leaving. She makes no effort, it's 100% me in the marriage, and she tosses the vow in my face and i brought up she isnt living up to her end too.

Of course she tosses out the disability card and says i'm just tired of taking care of her and am throwing her out. She said the reason the past few months she has been helping more around the house is she is taking more pain pills and is still in a lot of pain. I never asked her this but i dont understand why she even is doing 'more' than she ever has? I guess to save the marriage maybe? Well she recently started only smoking in the kitchen, away from me. This is unheard of and unprecedented but i guess since i told her i think its rude she smoked in there while her mom stayed with us but wont give me, her husband, the same respect, that i was quite unhappy about it.

So of course now i'm feeling bad..not bad enough to cancel my atty appointment on thursday but she sure is a master of playing the disability card on me. It took me a year to even get to this point yet somehow i think she thinks i thought of this overnight. I'm a very indecisive person most of the time so i guess she forgot that part. I did think about it long and hard and what it comes down to is the weeks she was away with family, i was at peace in my house and was more than happy to be alone. So my answer to myself is, yes i want out. But i still do NOT have the heart to tell her it was so nice not having her around. I also cant tell her i dont find her the least bit attractive anymore and i think it's nuts she only showers every 2 weeks and never gets dressed and just lounges around in a nightgown 24/7. I just cannot be that mean.

But is that what she wants? me to tell her all that stuff? did you guys try to explain to your wives why you were leaving and then continually get asked to explain again and again? And did you always tell the harsh truth?

I dont think any answer i give her will ever make her prepared for the D. And i dont see any point in telling her more. Oh and by the way she says she's filing a consumer complaint against the therapist but didnt elaborate. She does blame her and my therapist for our divorce. Said that to her face.

she also did ask me if i will be mad that she is going to want alimony and i said no i expected that. But i hope you will work with me on it because i cant pay a lot today unless i get the house refied and get money out. Amazing how she can turn off the tears and tell me 'what am i supposed to do, tell my atty that you cant pay so i want less alimony now and more later?" See when she says stuff like that, it reinforced my belief that she is a calculating person and just turns on the tears to jerk at my heart. A sad person wouldnt bring up alimony in the middle of all this emotional stuff.

so what do you think? cold hard truth to drive a further big wedge between us or just let things as they are? What did you tell your wife?

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Re: guys: how far do you go telling her the reason? [Re: What will I lose]
      #188543 - 03/21/08 12:20 PM (65.165.5.70)
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When my X attempted to delay the court date for the THIRD time I simply said "oh no, we're not dragging this out any longer. I need this shit to conclude and it's going to conclude in December, 2007."

You're being manipulated. I was manipulated. Both you and I let it happen. We also facilitated our STBX / Xs disabilities just as surely as supplying an alcoholic with a drink. It's not because we're bad men.

There's no need to be cruel. There's no need to be mean. Maybe your STBX would LIKE you to be cruel and mean because then it would just AGAIN justify her inaction. As in "we got divorced because he said cruel and mean things".

I have a (psychiatric) disabled X living two miles away from me in a dumpy, run-down house. SHE CHOSE this situation through her inaction and besides that, SHE FILED FOR DIVORCE.

Do you see the parallels?


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Re: guys: how far do you go telling her the reason [Re: What will I lose]
      #188544 - 03/21/08 12:23 PM (32.97.110.142)
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Look at it like this .... Life is finite. You are N-years old. Statistics show you will probably live to be 72. You have 72-N years of life left. Each year, month, week, day, hour, minute, and second that goes buy reduces the "72-N". How would you want to spend your "72-N"?

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Re: guys: how far do you go telling her the reason [Re: stoltz]
      #188555 - 03/21/08 12:59 PM (12.76.67.222)
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[quote]Look at it like this .... Life is finite. You are N-years old. Statistics show you will probably live to be 72. You have 72-N years of life left. Each year, month, week, day, hour, minute, and second that goes buy reduces the "72-N". How would you want to spend your "72-N"? [/quote]

I would like to spend them away from her. But when she told me before she goes that she will by me a new flannel shirt and wants me to wear my old one a week before she goes...that kinda scares me. I think she may prolong things just so she can be with me for a longer time..said will miss me etc.

hasnt mentioned me driving 4 hours to see her though recently but i'd be happy to visit her if she reduced alimony significantly :)

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Re: guys: how far do you go telling her the reason [Re: HardKnox]
      #188556 - 03/21/08 01:01 PM (12.76.67.222)
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There's no need to be cruel. There's no need to be mean. Maybe your STBX would LIKE you to be cruel and mean because then it would just AGAIN justify her inaction. As in "we got divorced because he said cruel and mean things".
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you reminded me...she has no idea what to tell people when the ask why getting D..so she asked me why (thats her story)

so you are prob right that she is looking for ammo

her 1st hubby said he didnt love her the way a hubby was supposed to. And she doesnt wanna be blindsided by me filing so i told her she will know from me before i do for sure. I dont mind that a bit.

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Re: guys: how far do you go telling her the reason [Re: What will I lose]
      #188563 - 03/21/08 01:24 PM (24.1.90.49)
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I agree with Hardknox.

AND...

This made me sick:

"I also cant tell her i dont find her the least bit attractive anymore and i think it's nuts she only showers every 2 weeks and never gets dressed and just lounges around in a nightgown 24/7."

I also agree with Stoltz. Get out with the years you have remaining.

I would definitely bring up the fact that she smokes. If this is related to her disability, it'll look bad for her.


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Re: guys: how far do you go telling her the reason [Re: Sarah1014]
      #188565 - 03/21/08 01:36 PM (12.76.67.222)
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I would definitely bring up the fact that she smokes. If this is related to her disability, it'll look bad for her. [/quote]

she pretty much says 'shut up' when i bring up smoking...but thing is SHE even agrees with the doctors that it WOULD help her get better to stop.

See i wouldnt think it is 'so bad' if in her mind she thought smoking wasnt hazardous. Fine, you dont think it. But if you say the doctors ARE right and you believe it is stopping you from healing, that is the definition of self destruction to me

she wants me to watch an old oprah ep which they say how hard it is to quit. I told her i dont discount how hard it is but i do think it's BS that you wont quit becasue it's too hard. She also acknowledged that every time i pressured her to quit she used ME as an excuse not to quit, saying she will do it in her own time

can a smoker please explain this to me how it is NOT self destructive. If i'm wrong i'm wrong...but i think i'm right here. Using me and other stressful situations (ie my pet rock just died) is just plain sad,. She's basically blaming me for her not quitting

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Re: guys: how far do you go telling her the reason [Re: What will I lose]
      #188571 - 03/21/08 02:04 PM (68.110.66.68)
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No need to be cruel, but be truthful (the part of the truth that won't hurt her).

Honey, I love you, but being together with you since the accident has not helped you. I've watched you slip into an emotional state that makes your physical situation worse, and I seem to be helping by allowing you to do this. You dont' bathe for two weeks at a time, can barely walk when the docs say it should not be a problem, have issues with healing because you refuse to stop smoking. You smoke like a chimney and are putting everyone around you at risk, including me, including the house, you've fallen asleep in bed with a lit cigarette, nearly killing us all.

You're slowly killing yourself and I can't allow you to take me with you. But worse, I realize that by PICKING UP your cigarettes for you, but keeping the cable TV on and allowing you to sit here in the house and do nothing to help yourself, by providing 100% of the income to support the house, I am allowing you to make a mess of your life, and I can't bear to continue to watch it.

We have talked before about what it would take, and it's clear to me that it would take a whole lot more than you can do while you're living here with me supporting you here.

But more, I can't do it any more. I'm breaking under the pressure of doing it all. And the little bit you've been helping doesn't nearly make up for the extra work you create. The time you were gone, I hate to say, I realized how bad things had gotten here with you here. I dont' want to be mean, but it was wonderful to simply not have to worry about your cleanliness, your smoking, your health, for a few precious weeks. Your refusal to deal with your own needs has kind of killed the feelings I had for you at one point, and I need for this to be over with before it gets even worse.

This is NOT an issue of me dumping you becasue of yoru disability. Far from that. I've taken full care of you for 8 years since the beginning of the disability! How DARE you suggest that it's your disability. No, what I'm leaving you for is because you have not done the things that the experts say you COULD do that would HELP you get over your disability, and over time, rather than get better, you've gotten worse. Slowly, you're killing yourself, and every tiny step worse that you get, it's another step worse for me in trying to pick up after you.

I can't do it any more, and I can't stand that your being with me has allowed it to get this far. I've talked to your doctors and it's very clear to me that you could get better, but it's not happening. So for now we need to separate. It's not impossible to beleive that at some point, once we've been apart for long enough for you to address some of these issues, that we could get back together, but we can't do that as long as I'd have to be your caretaker. I've doscovered in the past year that I am not a good caretaker. I can take care of business in a normal household, but I'm a failure as a caretaker of a disabled person. Under my care, you have been allowed to let yourself get worse, and I cannot let this continue.

So if you want a specific, easy to explain reason for the divorce, it's because the situation we were in after the accident made things get worse and worse until we could no longer manage together, until you were not motivated to follow doctor's orders, and so we had to separate in order for us both to heal and figure out how to be self-sufficient rather than allow ourselves to drive ourselves into early graves. If that helps you understand, then that's it.

I'd suggest that if this goads you into a self-improvement project, then maybe quitting the smoking, bathing daily, keeping your clothing clean and taking a walk from time to time, instead of watching TV all day, might be great goals for the next year. But I've had it, I can't be the one to try to make you do these things any more. When I visit you a year from now, I'll know if you've been doing these things. It will be obvious from your appearance, from your manner. It will be clear. If that happens, I can't imagine how happy I'll be to know that things are gettting better, that you have gotten some goals and maybe the future for you is bigger than this stupid little smoke-filled room. I'd be very happy to know that.

I hope you can make it to that place in life. You can't do it from the sofa in my house. That is why.


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Re: guys: how far do you go telling her the reason [Re: What will I lose]
      #188573 - 03/21/08 02:12 PM (32.97.110.142)
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she wants me to watch an old oprah ep which they say how hard it is to quit. I told her i dont discount how hard it is but i do think it's BS that you wont quit becasue it's too hard. She also acknowledged that every time i pressured her to quit she used ME as an excuse not to quit, saying she will do it in her own time

can a smoker please explain this to me how it is NOT self destructive.
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I'm an ex-smoker, and I will tell you that nicotine is HIGHLY addictive. To some people, it's like telling them to stop eating, drinking, or even breathing. And the addiction varies from person to person. I quit cold turkey one day (thank goodness) and was climbing the walls the first 3-6 months. I bought fireballs by the bulk to help compensate. Patches and gum had just come out and they did absolutely nothing for me.

My older sister is an MD and once told me while in residency that she had a patient who had to have a traecheotomy(sp?) and STILL found a way to smoke through the breathing tube! It's painfully addictive. Almost ALL smokers know the risk, but the addiction is just too strong for many to stop.


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Re: guys: how far do you go telling her the reason [Re: stoltz]
      #188695 - 03/22/08 12:42 AM (74.236.7.11)
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If your done - your done. No amount of explaining will ever be enough so don't. IMHO the less you say the better. She will never be satisfied with the explanation anyway. So don't try to explain - it just digs a deeper hole to try to dig/explain your way out of.

If you've decided for sure like it sounds like, file and start dis-engaging.


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Re: guys: how far do you go telling her the reason [Re: Starion]
      #188713 - 03/22/08 08:13 AM (208.101.129.213)
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[quote]If your done - your done. No amount of explaining will ever be enough so don't. IMHO the less you say the better. She will never be satisfied with the explanation anyway. So don't try to explain - it just digs a deeper hole to try to dig/explain your way out of.
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i did have a lot of pauses and stares into space. My mind said less is better and i stayed quiet a lot and now was not the time to make her angry and give her ammo to jack up alimony requests. I figure the worse she can say is 'he sat there and stared like an idiot' but unless she lies, she cant say too much bad about me. I do think part of it is she doesnt know what to tell family and friend but mostly it's her own justification in her mind.

i so bad want to tell her i'm seeing atty thurs but never promised her i d tell her that, only promised she wouldnt be surprised and i'll warn her when to expect the papers (she got surprised her last marriage and i want to appear better than him). Plus i need to raid the visa for the atty pymt and i dont need her freezing that or complicating things.

and i feel like poo because last night she was on the phone with the sis she will be moving in with and the weenie boyfriend was in the background constantly getting in on the conversation. She hung up and said 'i dont know how ill ever make it living there with him there.'

i didnt respond at all. Not my issue. But it was hard not to

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