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Re: Abusive Female VS Unaware Male (until too late [Re: stoltz]
      #111802 - 06/15/07 08:08 PM (130.13.201.55)
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You two need a new hobby.

You know, it takes a lot more muscles to frown than smile!
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Re: Abusive Female VS Unaware Male (until too late [Re: gigi]
      #111838 - 06/16/07 12:15 AM (76.16.235.56)
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[quote] Government can't get out of divorce until all people are guaranteed to do the right thing with thier own personal divorce issues. [/quote]

AMEN!
AND here it is yet again!....If the two individuals involved could reach an amicable agreement there would not be a need for a judge to impose his/her own ruling!

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Re: Abusive Female VS Unaware Male (until too late [Re: gigi]
      #111866 - 06/16/07 06:37 AM (68.88.196.1)
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...And if you disapprove of ALL of the government's attempts to do the right thing, then what WOULD you suggest they do? I saw a recent post where you suggested the government shoudl get OUT of divorce? How do you propose this shoudl happen? You get to walk out on your wife, leave her destitute if you're in the mood to do so, hiding all the money, never pay her a cent, and see the kids if & when you're in the mood (or if & when she's in the mood to let you?) Government can't get out of divorce until all people are guaranteed to do the right thing with thier own personal divorce issues.
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There are a few problems with your scheme of letting "the government" make all of these decisions about the private lives of people they aren't related to, don't know and never met before they came to court. If the truth be known, they probably don't particularly care much about them, except to the extent that they may despise them for not being mature enough to be able to work out their own problems, without increasing the court's case load. The courts making these decisions can never know all of the real facts involved in a particular case, as a divorce case is basically just a lieing contest, with no one ever held to account for perjury. The "laws" which are supposed to apply are nothing but a vast maze of conflicting but good sounding "gobbledygook", and the judges certainly don't have the "wisdom of Soliman", but are more likely to apply a "cookie cutter" judgement to all similar cases. This was exposed in a recent posting by theanswerguy in which reference was made to some orders which had been prepared IN ADVANCE for a given case, before the hearing had even been scheduled, and found by accident. Add to all of this the questionable "quid pro quo" involved when one side has retained a law firm which ALWAYS contributes to the election campaigns of ALL local judges, and it's not very hard to see why it is better if people are simply put on their own, in terms of domestic issues, with them required to make their own arrangements.

As I have proposed before here, the government should have to STAY OUT of the private relationships of people except fot the purposes of protection of children and public health. Assurance that both parents would have reasonable visitation rights should be considered as part of the protection of the children involved. If the parents (married, divorced, or never married--it doesn't matter) are incapable of facilitating this basic requirement of the state, then the children should be removed to a foster home. Of course, if a party to a relationship which has produced children remarries --or even marries for the first time--and their spouse is willing to adopt the children, then this represents the formation of a new and different "family" which the state would have an obligation to allow the opportunity to demonstrate that they can take care of the children in question.

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Re: The abusive female [Re: theanswerguy]
      #201623 - 05/04/08 01:14 AM (122.57.201.104)
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So much of this is common to all abusers. An abuser is an abuser, male, female or employer.

Great parts of this, especially the first parts, could have been written about my former employer.

Frankly, I think people who do this stuff are psychologically ill. The worst part about an abusive employer is that 9 times out of 10, they are never found out because all of their victims are forced to leave.


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Re: The abusive female [Re: theanswerguy]
      #201640 - 05/04/08 06:33 AM (68.41.4.141)
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"All abusers, irrespective of gender, seek control over their victims. They actively look for things in the lives of their victims that are vulnerable to attack. For female abusers, the bond between a father and his children is a natural target for abuse. It is the one target that can reduce a man to a shadow of his former self within weeks. It can cement the abusers need for domination over her victim so solidly and so completely that he will do anything she desires of him . Abusers are well aware of this fatherly bond and the power of it. The bond is the perfect target and yes, they will often do all they can to destroy it. Just threatening to destroy it is often enough to guarantee a compliant victim. What is often even harder to bear is watching an abusive female turning the hearts of the children against the father."


This was the exact thing that had my lawyers sit me down and tell me that they'd be taking over my diviorce 100%. I was too afraid to fight if it meant losing my kids. Abuse suks and it always will. I still fear this even after divorce.

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Re: The abusive female [Re: theanswerguy]
      #201855 - 05/05/08 12:22 PM (76.185.59.234)
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[quote]It was written by George Rolph , I editedt for content but tried to keep the spirit of the piece . You can find it at both ifeminists.com & mediaradar.org . [/quote]

I've read some of his things before. It all sounds just like maliciuse mother syndrome to me.


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