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jmayer1082
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RE: Not being able to see the kids
      #201948 - 05/05/08 04:34 PM (75.144.210.86)
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Can a wife keep the husband from seeing his children while the divorce is pending. Is there some form of motion that can be filed to make her, until the judge decides custody? she will not allow him to see them. isnt this harmful to the children and their fathers relationship?

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Re: RE: Not being able to see the kids [Re: jmayer1082]
      #201955 - 05/05/08 04:49 PM (75.185.132.243)
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no.
really there SHOULDNT be a reason,
but sometimes, exceptional circumstances makes one parent or the other wait until there are court orders in place.

is for you? or a bf? or family member?

just curious.

if there is a GF or BF involved,
the other spouse may not want the kids around the OW/OM
and if the stbx wont respect that, the other parent may with hold the kids until there is a court order.

other reasons one parent doesnt give 'free access' to the kids,
is due to abuse,
or
concern that the children will be taken.
(both are extreme, im just saying...)

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Re: RE: Not being able to see the kids [Re: taryn]
      #201957 - 05/05/08 04:57 PM (75.144.210.86)
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its for my boyfriend. They have been seperated for 3 years. he is a fantastic father, in no way abusive to her or the children, We have been together for about 6 months now. I am probably the reason that she is doing this. I feel awful about it and want to help him. I dont feel she has the right by law to withhold them and if anything giving her more "hertime" to have, I have a 10 year old he has an 8 and 5 year old. I we have to file something in the interim we will have to but just was wandering if he has the right to. regardless of her feelings.

thank you for you help


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Re: RE: Not being able to see the kids [Re: jmayer1082]
      #201965 - 05/05/08 05:35 PM (75.185.132.243)
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the divorce has been going on for THREE years?

and there are no temporary orders?

odd....


and yes.

YOU probably are the reason.
were you the OW?

if so...then. yes.

so from here i will bow out.

you dont even want me to get [censored] started.

damm. there goes that nasty judgement.

best to your bf who cares so damm much about his kids,
his GIRLFRIEND has to look into his problems.

but then, hey! he probably cares about you more.

that is SO nice for you, dont you think?

oh shoot....im doing it again.

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Re: RE: Not being able to see the kids [Re: taryn]
      #201968 - 05/05/08 05:41 PM (75.144.210.86)
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no they have been seperated- they only just filed the papers. He has not lived at home for quite some time. I am most certainly not the reason as i have only been with him 6 months. I have a child and know what thats like. Not everyone is the OW. I just know he wants to see his children

thank you anyway


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Re: RE: Not being able to see the kids [Re: jmayer1082]
      #201989 - 05/05/08 07:50 PM (68.110.66.68)
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Taryn's just pissed over her own ex's nasty behaivor and he's a REAL jerk... affair, pretending not to be working enough to provide support, and the affair is with a woman whose kids are a very bad influence.

J, I'm closer to your situation... though I didn't move in with my boyfriend, we got married rather than put the kids through the issues of having to deal with that kind of morality. (their parents moved in together before tehy were married, but I woudln't do it, didn't think it was a good example).

Lots of guys out there are clueless about the system and allow their exes to become "gatekeepers" of the kids' time, which is a huge mistake (and was a mistake in my husband's situation), and there's nothing wrong with you caring enough to look into it if he's trying to do it by himself or he doesn't knwo what his lawyer is doing... always good to have a second opinion (OR on this website, a 50th, 60th, 70th opinion... you'll get LOTS of them if you hang around).

In my situation, it's not that my husband doesn't care enough about the kids to do it himself, it's that he paid a lawyer to do that and I didn't exactly join in on the lawyer's meetings & such, so I needed to talk to others to get my own handle on what was going on... and at some point my husband simply gave up on the law doing the right hting by his kids. Sad but true, he set a very bad precedent by leaving them and letting her keep control over their time without getting a judge to force her ot let him see them more often and more regularly EARLY on.

Finally, when I was single, I met a lot of men who had been married but separated for YEARS and never thought to go through the whole process of making certian they were divorced. I recall one even mentioned that he thought he was divorced and when I checked up on it (like I checked up on EVERYONE I considered having more than one meeting/date with), I found out that she never filed like she said she did, so he was NOT divorced... he had given her the money to get the divorce, said he'd sign anything she neededhim to sign, and she took it, never got the lawyer, never filed the papers and took off as if she had done it all. He had to start from scratch on getting a divorce, by that time she was long gone in some [censored] house, and so it was a problem finding her to get her served with papers.. a real mess.

I know lots of people who did that. IT's not terribly responsible or realistic about how the world works... it's very trusting of this person who still shares your name and credit rating... it's very trusting of a person who is supposed to be a co-parent and might have incentive to become a jerk about it. It is a nice way to be, and lots of people are afraid of lawyers so they don't want to deal with the divorce, but not dealing with it leaves them where your boyfriend is... one day the ex gets pissed off and decides to hurt him the best way she can, with the kids. Nasty, nasty, nasty.

Now that he's started the process, good for him.

Yes, you can ask for a motion for temporary orders (HE can ask) demanding time with the kids while the divorce is pending. He wants to do this QUICKLY so that the kids don't get used to him not being around and aren't poisoned to him.

Read the book Divorce Poison. Google Parental Alienation Syndrome (and understand that a perfectly decent person can suddenly start feeling that and doing it unintentionally when they have a vindictive and selfish but up their butts about something like a new girlfriend that they don't like)... and get and read Mom's House, Dad's house to help your boyfriend set up a household where the kids are equally welcome and equally safe to be with their equal parent... but which may be DIFFERENTLY handled than their mother's home.

Good luck & let us know ow thing work out.


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Re: RE: Not being able to see the kids [Re: gigi]
      #201992 - 05/05/08 07:59 PM (75.185.132.243)
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[quote]Taryn's just pissed over her own ex's nasty behaivor and he's a REAL jerk... affair, pretending not to be working enough to provide support, and the affair is with a woman whose kids are a very bad influence.

okay.
this is true.
sorry.

sigh....

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Re: RE: Not being able to see the kids [Re: taryn]
      #201997 - 05/05/08 08:24 PM (68.110.66.68)
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Taryn, have you noticed that your time getting REALLY angry over this and having it blow over is getting shorter and shorter? And of course YOU are currently dealing with kids who are feeling bad because their Dad is not involved. This guy, I get the feeling his lack of involvement in finalizing a divorce has nothing to do with a lack of concern about his kids... and his girlfriend's attempt to find a way to help is really more about caring about him and wanting to minimize the effect of her presence on him & his kids, than it is of her actively interfering in his life.

It's a fine line and easy to cross, though. I find I stay on the right side of the line when I let HIM do all the talking to the kids and dealing with the ex, because whenever I am present (even though she has zero reason to resent me other than that it takes her moneybag away from her to have him interested in life again), she becomes a total witch... not that she isn't already, but she looks for new ways to separate him from the kids when she sees me... so I don't go to pick them up, I don't go to the door to say goodbye when they leave... it' takes work to try to help while staying totally in the background...


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Re: RE: Not being able to see the kids [Re: gigi]
      #202156 - 05/06/08 09:18 AM (75.144.210.86)
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thank you so much! We do not live together because in my divorce I am not allowed to have anyone live with me in my martial home. I would have to move out - and i cant do that to my daughter unless i am getting married. and it wouldnt be fair to his children as well. I am very fortunate to have had a good divorce, my x and I are great friends as is my boyfriend and my x- I just cant say the same for his wife. I feel sorry that she is using the children against him. But I will look into the motion, he needs his children. Im sure ill be back for more help. again thank you for the support.

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Re: RE: Not being able to see the kids [Re: jmayer1082]
      #202200 - 05/06/08 10:57 AM (24.8.144.220)
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He should get a parenting schedule set up as soon as possible. It will allow him to get on with the business of parenting as opposed to being a guest in his childrens' lives on mom's terms.

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