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Lunch Date (I think)..*VERY* awkward.
      #202060 - 05/06/08 02:06 AM (67.32.60.14)
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Now that I'm working back in my hometown, I've been seeing a lot of people that i knew back in the days before I met my wife...people I used to hang out with, talk to, etc.

I met an old friend by chance, and she said it would be great if we could meet up for lunch or something, so I accepted. We talked for awhile, hugged and exchanged pleasantries as would be expected of two old friends that havent seen each other in a long time.

Well, I quickly figured out she is also divorced. Her husband walked out on her for another woman. I explained MY situation to her. She said "You and me, see...we understand each other. We were such good friends back then...and I had a bit of a "crush" on you, but was always too scared to say anything."

I skirted around the topic for as long as I could until she finally just said "What do you think the possibility of you and I seeing each other is?"

I felt an almost immediate rush of panic. I didnt know what to say or do. All I know is that the thought of actually DATING someone before the divorce is final (hell, the stbx still hasnt even FILED) feels inherently wrong to me somehow. I felt awkward, like I was doing something I shouldn't be doing...like I was cheating on my wife.

I regained my composure, and calmly explained to her that I did not think I was ready for any kind of relationship, but that I was EXTREMELY flattered that a girl like her would be interested in me as far as an actual relationship goes. She said she completely understood as she had also been through this, and she appologized in case she made me feel awkward or uncomfortable. I told her I was fine, and that I was excited to FINALLY reconnect with some of my old friends again.

The rest of lunch was just small-talk and such.

Fact is, the girl is absolutely stunningly beautiful, but I honestly don't know her anymore...its been 13 years since I saw her last. Still, I felt SO awkward.....

I guess being with the same woman for almost 14 years now, all of my warning meters are still attuned to being married...and being in a situation like that with another woman definately made the "you're crossing the line" meter go ape.

Just when I thought I was making progress, I get a slap in the face back to the reality that I am NOT ready for anything at all...and I'm evidently not as over my stbx as I thought I was, or as much as I would LIKE to be.

YES, I realize she's done with me and has probably moved on to another relationship that she is merely keeping quiet from me for now. I just wish I could do the same.

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Re: Lunch Date (I think)..*VERY* awkward. [Re: picasso]
      #202112 - 05/06/08 08:18 AM (63.127.202.141)
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Reconnecting with old friends is a great thing! I would keep hanging out with this woman since you do know each other, and she can probably help you talk through things. If she keeps bringing up the "lets date" thing, you need to say no if you're not ready. If she doesn't understand, then you'd need to stop hanging out with her. It sounds like friendly support is what you need. Let her give it to you if she'll do it!

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Re: Lunch Date (I think)..*VERY* awkward. [Re: picasso]
      #202118 - 05/06/08 08:24 AM (75.149.88.225)
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I have read what has happened in your marriage you need to go file and stop letting the x run the show. Then you can move on and date etc etc if you fell guilty now. Not sure why you do after what she has done to you buttttttt until then you’re just living in limbo. Go file for the D and get on with life.. You’re letting your x control your life when she is not even in it.

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Re: Lunch Date (I think)..*VERY* awkward. [Re: Motor-Head]
      #202120 - 05/06/08 08:27 AM (75.185.132.243)
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how fun to have someone flirt around and even ask you out.
when youre ready, you'll date,
if you date before youre ready, you'll stop.

it's all good.
youre doing fine!

i have to say....motor kind of has a point, pic.

should you file?
it's been a while and the process could take a year or so.

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Re: Lunch Date (I think)..*VERY* awkward. [Re: taryn]
      #202123 - 05/06/08 08:31 AM (72.231.131.136)
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I think you have waaaay too many things going on to be dating and you are NOT letting go like you say you are. It IS time to file. One of you needs to do it. Then you can BOTH move on. But, just going to luch is ok. It doesnt have to be with her, go out with several people from time to time. Have some fun.

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Re: Lunch Date (I think)..*VERY* awkward. [Re: picasso]
      #202195 - 05/06/08 10:49 AM (71.200.214.103)
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Your honesty with your feelings with person will yield great rewards in the near future. Good for you and keep it up!

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Re: Lunch Date (I think)..*VERY* awkward. [Re: picasso]
      #202255 - 05/06/08 12:52 PM (68.41.4.141)
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Nothing wrong with having a lunch partner in the future again. I've gone out on non-dates just to hang out with women. Your divorcing not dying. Keeping in touch with the opposite sex is a good thing. Good to see you making strides forward. I can say that I now think you're gonna be ok bud.

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Re: Lunch Date (I think)..*VERY* awkward. [Re: picasso]
      #202303 - 05/06/08 02:20 PM (68.110.66.68)
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Some people can emotionally detatch while they're still married and even living together (either in an "open" marriage or by cheating, which is awful). Others need to have the divorce papers filed. Still others need to have the divorce final. I needed a few months after the divorce was final before I was ready. It's all very individual.

You may very well be one of those who can not feel available until the paperwork is filed.

Your stbx will not file as long as she is comfortable in her current situation. You need to file. YOU are not comfortable in the current situation. Your only reason for not filing is some hope that it MEANS something that the paperwork is not filed. You KNOW that to HER it means nothing, but to YOU it DOES.

And because it does, you need to file. It's not that hard, just turn your ability to focus on a problem (and we KNOW that you, of all people, can focus on something) onto the issue of finding the paperwork & filling it out, and get it started. You'll probably find that just doing that is not a magic bullet that tkaes care of everything, but at least it'll be FILED and the process will have been started for you to heal.

Until you do, the process for your healign from the rejection will not even start.

At some point, I will be saying to you that a lunch flirtation is NOT a commitment, it's NOT an important thing, it's JUST the opportunity for talk, flirtation, maybe a hug or kiss. But for now, because you are one of those who feels still attached without the paperwokr being filed, even the THOUGHT of a flirtation, hug or (gasp) kiss is offensive.

Get to a point where it is not offensive... file... THEN we'll talk about how much fun it is to reconnect with old friends or have lunch with a pretty girl.


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Re: Lunch Date (I think)..*VERY* awkward. [Re: picasso]
      #202477 - 05/06/08 10:00 PM (71.55.151.32)
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Pic -

So many things --
first - congrats on having a nice meal with ANOTHER women. That is a good thing. Just a meal. That is all it was. Nicely done.

Second -- nice job on being open with her and yourself. You are NOT ready for any sort of relationship yet. You are still spinning. You need to get your bearings before you can move on. You did the right thing being open. I am proud of you.

Third -- FILE AND GET OUT!!! You have put in your all. You are letting the ex (notice not STBX -- EX) run things. You have let you delay and even prevent you living your life. It is time.

Fourth - after you file (and even before ... like now) focus on healing. Finding your stable ground. Finding YOU.

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Re: Lunch Date (I think)..*VERY* awkward. [Re: kent]
      #202533 - 05/07/08 12:58 AM (67.32.60.14)
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im just trying to find the old me again. For a long time, I was someone that I did not want to be...something that was against my nature...and now I feel like I'm back.

Just trying to be myself, you know?

For the record, we gave each other a HUGE hug after lunch, and she kissed me on the cheek and said "It's so nice to finally see you again." For some reason, I didnt feel all wierded out by THAT...but the thought of DATING...well...I explained all that.

I dunno...probably filing would start the process, but I seriously doubt I'd feel more at ease about getting into a relationship. I've already told myself NO DATES until at least 6 months after the divorce is final...if for no other reason than to allow me time to deal with any leftover grief or feelings, etc.

I'm definately the "slow and steady" type....I dont like to just rush into anything at all...and I've always been VERY patient when it comes to relationships. I prefer to take things pretty slowly...I NEVER just jump in headlong and risk making a mistake I'll regret later.

I much prefer to first get to know the girl very well. I'm a firm believer in friends FIRST...and it takes time to develop a true friendship.

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Re: Lunch Date (I think)..*VERY* awkward. [Re: picasso]
      #202588 - 05/07/08 08:47 AM (216.17.88.94)
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Pic - do not worry about the slow and steady. That is my way too. Heck I now at 11 months POST divorce (10 months since she moved), and no real dates for me. I have not looked.

Like you my efforts have needed to be focused in finding myself and rebuilding.

Nothing wrong with that.

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Re: Lunch Date (I think)..*VERY* awkward. [Re: picasso]
      #202665 - 05/07/08 01:34 PM (68.110.66.68)
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I've already told myself NO DATES until at least 6 months after the divorce is final...if for no other reason than to allow me time to deal with any leftover grief or feelings, etc.
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Pic, I worry when you set up rules like this. You are making time limits on your heart, which does not have a limit.

However, becasue you have put this limit on yourself, let's examine it. You will not let yourself feel the romantic things until 6 months after a divorce is final. If you've been paying attention, many divorces do not get final quickly. They will take a year, two years, or three. And that's only AFTER filing.

My own divorce, from final decision to filing was 3 days. From filing to final was 21 days... we decided to separate before thanksgiving and were free by Christmas. It was a relief for both of us, we were free, and we did not have children to fight over, did all the property settlement pretty easily. And in OUR state the wait from filing to final was really short for divorces without kids. But in SOME states, I hear, it takes YEARS. And of course, even if it's not necessarily YEARS, it can sometimes take that long just becasue one or the other of you is being unreasonable, and the one being victimized by the unreasonable behavior realizes that they need to not just roll over & play dead any more, so they don't acquiesce and they make the judge decide (and usually the judge decides in favor of the reasonable one... so the only purpose of being unreasonable ended up being that it all gets delayed and the lawyers get more money in the end).

So... as of now, you have decided not to file. You are going to sit on your hands and wait, putting your life on hold in some falsely noble, slightly self-righteous, stubborn as hell insistence that SHE be the one to file. You know she won't file until she is uncomfortable with the current situation, and she is not uncomfortable with it, and SHE does not have any internal rule for herself to wait, so there you go... she's going to be happy, do as she wishes, and won't think to file till she's ready to announce a new engagement. You, on the other hand, have committed yourself to this purgatory of committed but separated, not allowed to move on (by your own internal rules) yet not able to turn back the clock (which you realistically know won't happen but still harbor hopes over)...

There is no better way to set yourself up to go insane than to make this commitment to keep from having a romantic connection with anyone ... for an indefinite period of time becasue you refuse to file ... for maybe YEARS even AFTER filing, depending on how she responds and how quickly the courts will process the case for you once you do file. It's a constant reminder of waht you don't have, can't have, everyone else has. If you want to set yourself up for depression, what better way than to ASSURE that you will not be able to move on?

When I talk to my bipolar cousin, one of the things we talk about is learning how to not let her set herself up for failure. The manic feelings encourage her to set up these rules for herself, in the belief that she is or can be stronger than the ordinary human being (it's a manic thing to be a little grandiose about her abilities that way)... and it's a little manic-y to create and stubbornly adhere to these little rules... It's not THAT manic... just a little... but for a person who occasionally has a problem with manic behavior to set up these rules for themselves, it's dangerous. It's a setup. Because it makes them feel controlled and good about themselves and thier ability to control themselves, during the higher moods. But what tends to happen is that they (she) refuse(s) to listen to others who say, "your rules for yourself are too strict", and so when it turns out that the rules ARE too strict, that the limits she puts on herself are causing her distress, she worries that she's failed herself, that she can't do this thing she set up for herself, that she has done something wrong. She gets herself all convinced that her way (or rules) are the RIGHT way, so when they start being too hard to sustain for long periods of time, she is disappointed in erself, which is a disappointment that doesnt' need ot happen. Failing ot be able to follow this or that rule just means she's HUMAN... and all her family & friends told her that the rule was too strict... yet she had herself convinced that SHE was better than the rest of us, she was different and superior and COULD live up to her own high expectations. And then when she finds out that she can't, becasue seh has a tendency to be a little overboard on the mood swing scale (unless over-medicated... she still is a little excessive from time to time)... she falls into a low part of the cycle. She blames herself for not being PERFECT, for heaven's sake.

I would like for you to not set yourself up for stuff like this. When you set up rules, arbitrary numbers to live by, saying that you won't have a relationship for 6 months after the divorce is final, and there is NO date for the divorce to be final... there is no date for the divorce to start... well, I worry that you're setting a rule for yourself that none of the rest of us would be able to follow... and when you find out someday that you're human, when the rule becomes hard to follow, when the self-imposed isolation becomes... isolating... you will find yourself in a self-imposed low that did not need to arrive.

I know it's nice to be able to put dates and times and limits on things, but in matters of the heart, it's not so good ot try to exert this type of control. It's not so good to intentionally isolate yourself from the possibility of love, by setting an arbitrary date far into the future (with no forseeable deadline even, because you've not even FILED).

If you filed, it would ease this a little... giving your 6 month limitation on yourself at least SOME possibility of arriving someday. As it is, your deadline, your self-imposed monk-dom... has no forseeable end. It's not good.

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Re: Lunch Date (I think)..*VERY* awkward. [Re: gigi]
      #203431 - 05/10/08 12:28 AM (67.32.60.14)
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thank you for the post gigi...very insightful.

After considering what you said, I dunno what to think...except that I'm clearly not ready for any kind of relationship at this point.

As time goes by, it is less and less that I still have feelings for my ex, and more that I just plain feel awkward. Almost like I have for FORCE myself to realize I'm single again, and that I'm doing nothing wrong by dating or seeing other women.

It's just had to ACT single after being "taken" for my entire adult life...I met my future wife when I was 18.

I dunno...I know I'm not doing anything immoral or wrong, but just the thought of having to go through the whole dating routine again makes me sick..lol

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