taryn
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[quote]Crude comments? Uh, she didn't make any crude comments about an innocent child.
Uh actually she did when referring to a child that was bought. Heard that too many times from people who know nothing about adoption. [/quote]
the 'bought' comment was actually started by YOU when you stated you child was adopted and your family paid for most/all of the fees!
YOU brought that $$ aspect into it. quite possibly you didnt mean to, but you mentioned custody right after or before you mentioned who paid for the adoption. making it SOUND as if you should have custody because of who PAID for the adoption.
That's how im thinking the 'bought' comment came into this.
had you simply stated you had a daughter whom you love and you feel you should have full custody, it would not have been an issue.
and it shouldnt. a son or daughter is just that regardless of how they become your child.
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KGrow
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"Do judges rule for the mother in most cases other than demonstrated abuse by the mother?"
Joint custody is the norm these days. A father shooting for sole custody is typically seen as vengeful. It can backfire on you in that the court gives some credit in a battle for primary custodian to the most cooperative parent.
Your best strategy is to get a good lawyer, file first, remain in the marital home, care for your daughter and exercise as much patience with the situation as you can muster.
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tiredofnagging
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[quote]Get medical docs in order. do not work, make 0$. get atty. advice. You are in a position to file and make hersupports you. Of course she will be a complete deadbeat as the MAJORITY of women ordered to pay support are, but you will not have to support her lazy butt and if you recover can have your kid and your income. Include her "browbeating" and failure to care for you as arguements for special share in any equity in lieu of alimony. Get her an employment eval and extrapolat her potential until she's 67 to see how much she owes you if ordered to become her slave, offer to setttle for 10% off. If you can stay home and care for the kids but not work that's even better, you'll get CS & the kid. With an MRI and that injury could be just what the doctor ordered. Now is the time to wallow, you can get better later. [/quote]
Believe me, when it's time I will have the evidence. She may end up with custody but I will have my dignity back. And that might be good enough......or not.
What a lot (not all) women seem to think that its always the husbands fault. Like the infidelity....Oops, I didn't mean to kiss that co-worker "friend" of mine or spend the night "out".
Sidenote, on some obscure cable channel there's a show called "The Cheaters". A must watch for equal perspective.
Thanks for your input and support.
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ttina
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My suggestion is to leave emotion especially anger out of the equation. If you go in with both barrels blazing you will be seen as unstable and selfish. Think before you speak, keep neutral especially in front of daughter. Also keep in mind that daughter still loves momma even if you don't.
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EZmark
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"Joint custody is the norm these days."
K Just a Clarification, IMO everything you said is true and good advice.
Joint LEGAL custody is the norm. That means making major decisions both parties must agree. Often the CP only has to inform the NCP, and the NCP gets to offer advice ie: CP does whatever she wants.
Joint PHYSICAL custody with the mother as the primary CP is the norm at least 92% of the time, with Dad (NCP) getting "visitation" between an occasional supervised dinner up to liberal, which is every other weekend and on night during the week, 30-40% of the time. There is a presumption against rotating (ie:50%) shared custody in almost every state codified or by case law. Rotating only granted when the parties agree and then sometimes the judges refuse, never if the parties don't agree. This automatic removal of Dad from the childs life is supposedly in the child's best interest? Anyway it is a common tool used for ransom. You can usually buy more time with your child, if not now try again later.
and +1 starting, you better bury your (justified) anger. Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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stoltz
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-------------------------------------------------------------- However I feel most of what you posted did not make you appear as a good person or parent. So basically you are done with your wife now but you still want the sweet child you bought? Unreal...I hope she gets custody. Maybe a long hard look in the mirror is in order? Just my opinion of course. I found the entire thread offensive. Have you any idea how emotionally and financially devastating divorce is on both parties? How emotionally difficult it is on children? Dang! Now I want to brow beat you too! ------------------------------------------------------------
Wow. I didn't see anything of the sort in this person's post. As far as the "browbeating" goes, I can definitely relate. It's no coincidence nagging is the #1 thing men hate about their female partner.
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tiredofnagging
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YOU brought that $$ aspect into it. quite possibly you didnt mean to, but you mentioned custody right after or before you mentioned who paid for the adoption. making it SOUND as if you should have custody because of who PAID for the adoption.
That's how im thinking the 'bought' comment came into this.
had you simply stated you had a daughter whom you love and you feel you should have full custody, it would not have been an issue.
and it shouldnt. a son or daughter is just that regardless of how they become your child.
Memo to this particular adoption expert....the fact that I MENTIONED the adoption cost (there has to be one right?) was part of my anger. And let's not forget that anger is sometimes a part of divorce. Hence, there should be NO JUDGEMENT here (I've mentioned this before).
Question to you.....Ever been abused in any way, shape, or form? Have you ever been on the other side of the coin? Is it fair to say that you're here because you are either divorcing, divorced or been longtime divorced.
Get off your high horse, ladies
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tiredofnagging
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"and +1 starting, you better bury your (justified) anger." Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Wise words indeed. The minute they get to you, they've won.
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tiredofnagging
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"Wow. I didn't see anything of the sort in this person's post. As far as the "browbeating" goes, I can definitely relate. It's no coincidence nagging is the #1 thing men hate about their female partner."
Nothing beats a nagging wife, not even water torture. Somehow they have the ability to get under a mans skin and fester like a virus. And to be fair, men just get 'er done.
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taryn
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[quote] Memo to this particular adoption expert....the fact that I MENTIONED the adoption cost (there has to be one right?) was part of my anger. And let's not forget that anger is sometimes a part of divorce. Hence, there should be NO JUDGEMENT here (I've mentioned this before).
Question to you.....Ever been abused in any way, shape, or form? Have you ever been on the other side of the coin? Is it fair to say that you're here because you are either divorcing, divorced or been longtime divorced.
Get off your high horse, ladies [/quote]
1. many people on this board ARE adoption experts as many are adoptive parents. most of the time they just dont mention the 'adoptive' part as, for most of them it is irrelevant. For all you know, *I* AM an adoption expert. Hell i could run an agency, be an adoptive parent, and been adopted myself.
2. i have suffered abuse.
3. yes. i have anger. but not at you i dont know you so why would i bother caring enough to HAVE any anger? and i did not find i aimed any anger at you. however i can see that it could be interpreted that way.
4. oddly, at first i found you post to be merely information getting, with a few ways of communicating to be lacking. (such as mentioning who paid for the adoption int he same paragraph as the fact that you feel you should have full custody.) i was thinking it was just one of those thought processes where thoughts all run together in one paragraph but that Most LIKELY you didnt mean anything negative by it.
however, (oh....now i AM on my high horse) the more you post, well the more you are sounding not so nice (on the low end) OR like a complete [censored] [censored] on the high end.
i do not find my responses to have been worthy of the responses you have given ME.
do not [censored] with people on this board when you are new and no NOTHING about their back ground.
the VERY things you are claiming others to know nothing about are ACTUALLY situations many of us have intimate experience with and could relate to your senario and offer advise.
but, your are quite the little bridge burner on this thread. id be curious what kind of communication expert you are in the real world.
file for divorce. if youre this charming in your marriage, you wife will only shed tears as she picks up the yardwork slack. otherwise you will be nothing but a distant memory.
i hope she find your thread here. the court will love that opening paragraph as to why you should have custody of your 'adopted' daughter who your family 'paid' the cost of.
gotta love that qualification....this is my daughter, she's adopted...what the [censored]! i mean who CARES! about that aspect. she's your daughter and that's where that should end!
those qualifcations you posted make you sound like a real bonded caring Daddy. go with that.
step back, SIR. you are getting out of line.
and dont bother correcting me or whatever little nasty message you want to respond with.
i will no longer respond to your posts.
by the way...have you met JBAR?
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