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X changing my accounts
      #204751 - 05/14/08 06:22 PM (76.185.59.234)
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MY daughters medical bills are in my name as it should be. That is the way it reads on the court orders (she is to rembers me) and my daughter lives with me. My x is setting up payment plans on my account not telling me and then trying to collect the credits caused because of all this. I mean I get a bill and pay it in full and she sets up a payment plan to pay it out. How can she do that? If she wants a payment plan then she should let me know. Why do I have to straighten out her mess?

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Re: X changing my accounts [Re: chatter box]
      #204769 - 05/14/08 07:25 PM (69.115.64.195)
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[quote]MY daughters medical bills are in my name as it should be. That is the way it reads on the court orders (she is to rembers me) and my daughter lives with me. My x is setting up payment plans on my account not telling me and then trying to collect the credits caused because of all this. I mean I get a bill and pay it in full and she sets up a payment plan to pay it out. How can she do that? If she wants a payment plan then she should let me know. Why do I have to straighten out her mess? [/quote]

Contact your doctor's office and tell them that she does not have the authority to change anything that is in your name. If the bills are in your name, then you are the one who determines or makes arrangements for payment plans. When they take your name off of it and put her name on it, then she can make payment arrangements all she wants.


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Re: X changing my accounts [Re: Jada]
      #204780 - 05/14/08 07:54 PM (76.185.59.234)
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I spent half the day on the phone today doing that and trying to get copies of everything. Still didn't get done and have to spend part of another day working on it.

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Re: X changing my accounts [Re: chatter box]
      #204786 - 05/14/08 08:08 PM (69.115.64.195)
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[quote]I spent half the day on the phone today doing that and trying to get copies of everything. Still didn't get done and have to spend part of another day working on it. [/quote]

To bad you can't charge your ex for the time you are wasting because of her actions. I am sorry that you have to deal with this.


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Re: X changing my accounts [Re: Jada]
      #204980 - 05/15/08 11:44 AM (66.180.116.13)
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God I'm tired of this!!! This just get deeper and deeper. I figured out why the AG office isn't doing anything.

Ok I get a bill from the hospital after the insurance has paid there part. As soon as I get it I fax it to the X and pay it. X sends them 1/2 or makes payment arraingments but doesn't tell me. The hospital process her payments and shows it as a insurance payment on the statement they send me. Starting to get the picture yet? Now there is a credit but because there are always more pending bills because of insurance they do not send the credit back. Now multiply that by the hospital bill, doctors bill, labs, etc. and can you see how confusing it gets. Here is the kicker I can't make any of them stop taking her payments or setting up payments on accounts paid in full. I also can't stop her from recieving the credits. She gets proof of payments and the credits back and I get squat.


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Re: X changing my accounts [Re: chatter box]
      #205035 - 05/15/08 01:42 PM (68.110.66.68)
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Send a letter to her telling her very simply that she can't overpay a bill that you've already paid and then direct the credit to come back to her, and count it as paying you for her share of teh bill. You expect her to immediately stop doign it this way or to send all the credits back to you, and if she fails to straighten out her mess, you're taking her to court to show that she's been committing fraud in setting up accounts to make it look like she paid for her daughter's healthcare while actually just paying and getting paid back for what she'd paid, while you have previously paid the entire amounts, thereby defrauding you and her daughter of the payments that should be made by her on your daughter's behalf.

If she does not fix it, then it is clearly not just a MISTAKE... so it's clearly fraud. At that point you can take her to court for contempt in failing to pay the medical bills, by setting up this fraudulent system where she pays and gets reimbursed for her own payments due ot the fact that the bills were already paid in full by you, so rather than reimbursing you for half, she has figured it out so that it appears she has paid and simply gets reimbursed, herself.

It's not easy to trace, but once the scheme is explained in one paragraph, the fraud is obvious... and with that in mind, the judge could look at the receipts she'd provide to prove "I paid", and know that it was part of a scam.

The only part of this I don't know for sure is if you can take her to court, yourself. Most people, most courts, you can. I don't understand your state though... because I seem to remember that you are always waiting on teh AG's office to do this stuff instead of doing it yourself. In my knowledge, filing for contempt of court is not REQUIRED to be done by the AG's office... it's just easier for the poorer party if the AG's steps in because their attorneys do it for free... and if the AG's office declines to deal with it there's nothing prohibiting you from doing it for yourself! In most states... but like I said, I'm not sure about yours and you've said before that for some reason you COULD NOT act because the AG's office decided not to...

Anyways... it's understandable why the AG's thinks she has paid the bills, huh? Maybe if you haven't burnt all your bridges with them you can find someone and show them how this happened and they'll get furious over the fraud & will start to deal with it.

I mean... by the records she provided... she would show that she DID have receipts for payment of the bills, wouldn't she? So their response when you asked for help and she said, "but I PAID, here's PROOF"... was reasonable.

And a little side comment... when people get here and get all angry at the system for not doing the right thing... when they don't follow up and figure out what's happened and instead start blaming the system... when they use it as an opportunity to vent and be a jerk and burn bridges with people within the system who are going to lable them as a jerk... when the TRUTH is that someone NOT within the system has committed fraud and the manner in which they've committed it is simply not apparent yet...

Well... then burning your bridges and accusing people of not doing thier job properly, trying to get people fired before you've figured out the whole story ... before you've seen all the evidence... it turns out to be creating more trouble for yourself because once the fraud committed by some unrelated person against you becomes apparent, you sure wish taht bridge was still there for you to cross...

See if you can get in touch with the last person you dealt with at the AG's office, explain that you just now got the proof and figured out what happened, and she ahs defrauded both you and them by double paying the bills directly rather than reimbursing you, and arranging for the overpayments to be returned to her directly, making it appear like she had receipts for proof of payment while actually turning around and getting reimbursed back for what she'd paid, instead of EVER reimbursing YOU or putting out a dime on the kid's behalf. And explain that you've got a tangled ton of documents that will prove that, and would they be willing to accept your apology for accusing them of not paying attention to you because you're a man, and understnad that she defrauded not only you, but also them and anyone else that she wanted to provide proof of payment to... and would they be willing to help you straighten it out so that if she insists on directly paying the docs, that the reimbursements would be returned to YOU instead of HER?


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Re: X changing my accounts [Re: chatter box]
      #205094 - 05/15/08 05:59 PM (69.115.64.195)
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[quote]God I'm tired of this!!! This just get deeper and deeper. I figured out why the AG office isn't doing anything.

Ok I get a bill from the hospital after the insurance has paid there part. As soon as I get it I fax it to the X and pay it. X sends them 1/2 or makes payment arraingments but doesn't tell me. The hospital process her payments and shows it as a insurance payment on the statement they send me. Starting to get the picture yet? Now there is a credit but because there are always more pending bills because of insurance they do not send the credit back. Now multiply that by the hospital bill, doctors bill, labs, etc. and can you see how confusing it gets. Here is the kicker I can't make any of them stop taking her payments or setting up payments on accounts paid in full. I also can't stop her from recieving the credits. She gets proof of payments and the credits back and I get squat. [/quote]

No, you will get reimbursed. Get a statement from the doctor's office to what you paid. And to what she paid and have them explain where the credits went. If they went to her, then she still has to pay.

It's going to take a while to undo what your ex has done.

My suggestion, since the doctor is willing to work with her on payment plans, only pay your portion from now on.


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Re: X changing my accounts [Re: Jada]
      #205100 - 05/15/08 06:12 PM (68.2.56.129)
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My suggestion, since the doctor is willing to work with her on payment plans, only pay your portion from now on. [/quote]

EXACTLY! Simple way to end the drama!


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Re: X changing my accounts [Re: juliacinaz]
      #205108 - 05/15/08 06:25 PM (68.110.66.68)
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Julia, the problem here is that there are extensive PAST medical bills that the ex has refused to pay, ChatterBox has tried in the past to get her to pay and the AG's office said she filed proof of payment so they refused to act. It's a lot of money and he can't exactly give up on it.

Not to mention that once he stops paying half and expects her to pay without getting the payments sent straight back to her, she's going to stop paying her half and the docs are going to come against him anyways, this time AFTER the fact, when he's moved on and got other, new expenses to deal with... and he's STILL going to have to get the court to intervene to force the ex to pay for the unreimbursed medical expenses.

This poor little girl has a serious health problem that causes her to be incontinent at embarassing times if her diet is not strictly kept, and the mother has made it worse by not following the diet, sometimes actively sabotaging her, and for a while, kidnapping her and not letting her see her dad at all. After the whole custody issue was straightened out, she was not allowed to have control over the kid's health care any longer, which gives you a clue of HOW bad it got. Yet she still went to the school to bring lunch to the kid every day, lunch that did NOT follow the diet and only made the health problems worse...

The bills have got to be staggering, and the fact that he has shouldered teh whole bill so far with her PRETENDING to do so and getting it all refunded to herself is ridiculous! He can and should pursue payment... I don't think trusting her to pay her half is a good option once he cuts off her ability to get it refunded back to herself. It'll just delay the whole process of enforcing the reimbursement order and put him further behind on finances.


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Re: X changing my accounts [Re: gigi]
      #205118 - 05/15/08 07:09 PM (69.115.64.195)
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Gigi,

You are right in that the ncp will stop paying once she realizes that there will be no credits coming her way.

And the doctors are going to come after him for payment once she stops paying.

But Chatterbox will have proof positive of the lengths she will go to to keep from paying her portion.


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