kent
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I am curious -- at which point does it switch from being two friends hanging out to a casual date?
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After smoochin'.
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I am curious -- at which point does it switch from being two friends hanging out to a casual date?
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I'm with mrpat. If you both look into each others eyes and then kiss...I think the hangin' out thing is done.
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kent
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The smoochin part is OBVIOUS!
Clarity --- think about Gigi's advice of "dates." At which point is it JUST hanging out, and at which point is it a casual GIGI style date?
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Maybe when you start worring about what you look like just hangin' out?
If I wanna look good for a girl just to hang out, it's just escalated
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Casual hang out: split the bill. Not really thinking about holding their hand or getting closer. Just having a good time like you're with your brother or sister. You know there could be nothing romantic between you.
Date: Could still split the cost, but you're thinking about what it would be like to kiss that other person. You're more concerned with learning about the other person than just talking about whatever. Your MO is to get to know the other person better rather than hang out. You're filtering through the conversation to see if you want to date them again. You have romantic feelings towards that other person.
I think if you're hanging out with someone you really want to date for too long, it will drive you crazy.
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When you ask her to spit shine your Mercedes, it is no longer just hanging out. :-)
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when you have to ask yourself thsi question....
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It's not a Gigi style casual date until you're comfortable labeling it as a casual date. It's not a casual date till you're both on board with the fact that it's more than just a hang-out. That's why a kiss is the clear indicator that you've passed into "date" territory... because it suggests that both of you are on board & aware that it's more than just a hang-out... but between the moment where you plan the meeting and the moment when you choose to kiss each other... it's all a great big beautiful fun gray area where you're lucky if your heart starts beating quicker when you see her and you start THINKING about whether you should pay for her coffee or kiss her or ... whatever.
When you're in the gray area, you call it anything you want... it's PRACTICE ... it's getting to know her... it's not supposed to be something you need to label and worry about or push for more. Unless you WANT to label it & worry about it & push for more.
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The smoochin part is OBVIOUS!
Clarity --- think about Gigi's advice of "dates." At which point is it JUST hanging out, and at which point is it a casual GIGI style date?
SOOOOO-oooooooooo.
Who have you been smoochin' Kent?
Wanna tell?
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I was thinking the same thing Malone - who is Kent kissing. Kent - spill it - we want to know.
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kissing -- nope. Not a soul.
Just at that confusing grey area. Things with the gal from the ````SIGH~~~~ post. I know I am interested, and there have been signals that it is mutual. BUT there is that lovely issue from the SIGH post.
(she is still in pretty regular contact with her ex. He left her for another woman. No kids. No shared business.).
Sorry got to run to work, I OVER SLEPT!!!!
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Send her here. We'll ape-slap her on the "no contact rule" issues. As a potential date, you're not credible when advising her about how to handle her divorce & moving on. When I met my husband he was in the midst of a divorce, a difficult one. I stayed out of it on the issues of letting him figure out how to separate from her (though it was pretty clear the emotional separation had occurred years before). I stayed WAAAAY out of it, not wanting to have anything to do with a possible reconciliation ever not taking place (though it was obvious that there were no thoughts towards reconciliation on his part, I forced myself to think in those terms because I never wanted to be motivation for a divorce goign to the final step, for sure). I asked him OFTEN if he didn't want to get back with her, suggested that maybe he needed to stop & re-think... but what was going on was that he'd already talked that part through thoroughly and worked it out with a therapist. They'd tried counseling during the marriage and he'd gone to individual counseling afterwards which cemented for him that this was the right decision, and there was nothing I could do that would turn him around & send him back to her household.
I knew that if I had talked to him about anything resembling a "no contact" rule, it would have been wrong. He needed to come to that conclusion with zero input from a woman he found attractive. He was on his own to figure that part out... with the help of his counselor.
Your friend may need some support, on these types of things... NOT from you, though.
I was in an in person support group right after my divorce, and facilitated it for a few years after I got through it. One of the guys going through the group brought his girlfriend into the group. He was worried that it would be awkward, but we were the only group around so there was nothing he could do. She clearly needed the help but he would not be credible to give it. He brought her, introduced her to us, and stayed out of the conversation whenever issues relating to her own ex were discussed. She listened but stayed out of it when his ex was discussed. The format of the group allowed that because we'd have a topic ... like the bargaining phase of grief, for example... and each of us would take a separate turn having our own take on that topic as a point of discussion... when it was her turn, he'd stay out... when it was his turn, she'd stay out... when it was my turn... they'd both jump in. It worked well.
We policed them if they considered commenting about each other's situations. For issues concerning each other in that early stage, they had their individual counselors if they wanted... though there really wasn't much of that. At first they weren't really dating... they were just... well, he really liked her and was sad for what she was going through and so he was just trying to help and he knew he couldn't, so that's why he brought her to us.
We watched as their mutual attraction blossomed into love, and as the group continued, we helped her figure out how to handle his 5 kids and his ex and his job that took him out of the country for a month at a time from time to time. She handled it a WHOLE LOT better than his first wife, as time went on... and they're married now. For about 12 years I think. Kids are all grown, they're looking forward to retirement. It's all great!
I suggest you COULD do the same if you wanted. Introduce her to us, keep it all above board that we all know that you & she are friends, don't talk about the dating thing so much, or at least understnad when you're talking about it that she may be looking in (hell, she might be looking in now anyways and you just don't realize it... isn't THAT disconcerting?)
And let us ape-slap her for you over all the contact she keeps having.
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kent
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Interesting advice Gigi.
I do agree that I am NOT a person to be giving her advice on that issue. Heck on this issue "Mr. Fix-it" is actually in control. Kind of a nice place for me to be.
Although I am not certain where things are going .... I am VERY happy to have a good new friend. I figure I can not complain about being able to hang around with a cute, smart, caring, supportive person.
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Kent, no one can create the perfect partner-to-be. Most of us now have at least a little bit of baggage or even quite a lot. But when you REALLY feel something for someone, I don't think you should ignore it. I do however think you should take it very, very slowly.
But to stand away from someone you have a really feeling for seems like a waste.
Somethings are meant to be and a lot of things seem meant to happen for a reason.
Good luck. Maybe give it a chance but give it plenty of time too by taking it very slowly.
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kent
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Malone -- I understand and agree with what you are saying. That is a big part of why I am SOO happy to have the friendship with this gal I do have.
It is a nice friendship - that COULD be a foundation. If it is, fine ... if not ... no issues. A good friend is HARD to come by.
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