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mawmawpammie
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mother refuses to cooperate
      #204904 - 05/15/08 09:13 AM (205.188.117.143)
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My granddaughter has an appointment at the doctor today for some stomach problems she is having.The mother didnt even tell the father and when he did find out he called and ask her to call him and let him know how the appointment went and what was going on,but she refused.She said she didnt have his number but he tried to give it to her and she wouldnt take it.So he called her and the number was on ID and she still said she wasnt going to call.She told him she would call me,his mom and I could get him the message.My son said it was time to stop putting me in the middle and she claimed she hadnt.But still she refused to call him.How can he stop the drama and have her let him know what is going on with his daughters?And at what point is a certified letter a good idea.?

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Re: mother refuses to cooperate [Re: mawmawpammie]
      #204917 - 05/15/08 09:34 AM (66.180.116.13)
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This is sad. I have to feel for the mom because who wants to talk to there X ever. Dad needs to know and you should be put in the middle. Mom needs to put her feelings aside and do what is right, but you can't force her anyway. If I was dad I wouldn't press the issue with mom and just call the doctors office and find out what they found. The nurse can tell him. He may have to go to the office and explain his situation so that next time all he has to do is call.

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Re: mother refuses to cooperate [Re: mawmawpammie]
      #204922 - 05/15/08 09:45 AM (63.127.202.141)
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This is a good example of why text messages and email are good. You can get your point across without having to actually speak to a person you don't really want to speak to. You should suggest that to both your son and is x.

She's playing childish games and will hurt her own daughter in the process. Foolish if you ask me.


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Re: mother refuses to cooperate [Re: mawmawpammie]
      #205020 - 05/15/08 01:14 PM (198.49.180.40)
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Hi,

if your son has an attorney he can ask for letter to opposite party - it's very standard situation and may cost around 40 min. of attorney fee. I requested from the beginning of my divorce that all doctors visits have to be approved by both parties and done with accordance to availability of mom and dad.
I know that many people will suggest to cool down and call doctor's office directly - it's absolutely right things to do, but your son cannot let it go he should talk to attorney and establish minimal communication between two parties using legal mechanism.


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Re: mother refuses to cooperate [Re: mawmawpammie]
      #205422 - 05/16/08 11:40 PM (76.110.222.166)
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Igor is right. Letter to her or her attorney which will be admissable later. Get paperwork from the doc, I'll bet he didn't even list him as dad. Three incidents and you staple it all together and file motion for contempt. Bring the motion to court so the judge can read it again at the time of hearing. She's trying to stick a knife in your back, don't expose yourself and push her to do the right thing, give her enough rope. All contact with her through email. If she emails you back you can use it in court.
I can't beleive you still don't understand waht you're dealing with, you better start getting ready for court.


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mawmawpammie
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Re: mother refuses to cooperate [Re: EZmark]
      #205641 - 05/18/08 05:24 PM (205.188.117.143)
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I must be missing something because I really dont think she is smart enough to do what you are suggesting.She honestly thinks like her mother has ,that because she is the mother then she is an angel ,a saint and the father is automatically the jerk because he is the man.The mother has been a BULLY for years and now she has taken on that role.
It was my sons weekend and we took them about 60 miles from our home to a zoo.My son had told her that we were going to take them with him and the mother got poed because I never mentioned it to her myself although the father had.We are supose to ask her permission and we didnt.Yet it was our sons,the fathers weekend.She said that even he has to ask permission.When I have more time I will fill you in on all that she has and all that she doesnt and you can tell me what you think.


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Re: mother refuses to cooperate [Re: EZmark]
      #205761 - 05/19/08 04:27 AM (205.188.117.143)
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Ok,when they were together,my son had an accident that left him brain injured.At the time they were headed for divorce anyway but it looked like they would work things out.My son,although brain injury persons never are the same,made a real good recovery.Every time that a problem came up ,if we suggested that it was the brain injury she claimed it wasnt,that he was like that before the accident and that he was using the brain injury to get sympathy.She made little effort to help him recover and she let him drink,wouldnt insist on him taking his medication and she even allowed him to drive knowing these were things that he wasnt supose to do for at least a year afterwards.
Now ,she is saying that because of his brain injury he isnt fit to take care of the children alone.She has had complete control of things for the three years that they have been seperated and she has made it a living hell.When they first seperated she agreed to joint custody because she had no proof that he wasnt fit and he was alloed to have the kids alone,take them places,do things with them and he did great.But at some point she decided she wasnt going to cooperate anymore and she told me that she would just tell the courts that she didnt know he wasnt released to drive and that he wasnt taking his medicine or seeing his doctor anymore.She has told people that he was abusive and that she didnt want to be alone with him although she was alone when he would come to her house to visit with the kids.
She has allowed her brothers to call him and make threats to him and even her boyfreind has threatened him.She has told the school that he isnt allowed to take the kids from school,he isnt alloed to take them anywhere alone and she even withheld the kids from him until he signed a paper saying he agreed to supervised visits.The paper was typed on the computer and signed by him without her there or a lawyer or even filed of any sort.{his lawyer threw it in the garbage when he gave a copy of it}
He has paid child support alhtough there is no order and he has done what she has demanded of him for the last htree years.He found another doctor ,started taking his medicine and the doctor released him to drive,But she says that wasnt good enough because it is a different doctor and this doctor doesnt know how things were before.{dah,the doctor has his records from the last doctor}.The stbx found out it will cost her to get the records from the old doctor.
Since the accident,my son had went back to work 6 months afterwards and he was even made manager of his department.he was driving full time about the same amount time.Although he will never again be the same ,physically he has made a full recovery and he functions just fine.
I have been watching the granddaughters since birth and I know more than I care to know.At one point I became really good friends with the Stbx and she trusted me fully.I knew every move she was going to make and when she told me she was going to lie in court I deflated and lost all respect for her.She wants to claim my son is not fit for things that she herself is guilty of...
She never has the kids on the weekend that is supose to be hers.I make the doctors appointments for the kids and take them 90% of the time.In fact I do 90% of the kids that the mother should do but wont because she has something else to do.Now in the past 6 months it has been a boyfreind in the picture.A boy that she met when he was two weeks out of prison for theft,possesion and assault.A boy that ask her to marry him on valentines day and now she tells the kids he will be the stepdaddy.She tells me he helps her make decisions about the kids.{and she cant understand why my son is angry and dont want the boy to be a part of the childrens lives at all}.She pays no attention to the kids when the boy is around and she moved him in just a week after he met the kids.
She has always left food in the sink foe days at a time ,she has let the kids sleep in beds they have peed in,she lets the dog sleep with the kids and for about a month now she has allowed the kids to sllep in the floor in the living room.The children get bath only if she feels like it and she forgets to give them their medicine at tmes.She has almost caught the house on fire because she forgot about something cooking while she was on the phone with the boy.She even had the boy come to the school when the children had a fitting for danceline outfits because my son was there.The boy came in so fast he was sideways in the school parking lot.When they were leaving the boy put the children in his car and was going to drive them home but since she wont allow my son to drive the children down the drive he wasnt about to let the boy take them anywhere alone.They argued in the parking lot.The boy pushed my son around and my son told him he was about to get an a** whopping.Now the boy is trying press charges against my son for a threat.{just something she can use in court because the law told her she couldnt press charges}
She isnt around to see how well my son takes care of the kids yet she feels she will get full custody.She feels as if she has it now because she says so although there is no order of any kind for anything.She says when she went to see her lawyer last she forgot to ask about temp custody.NOBODY FORGETS THAT...And the real kicker is this....If something was to happen to her she wants to have it fixed so that the boy gets the kids.Not the father,not me,not even her mother whom she adores,but the boy that she has known for 6months.I told as it is now that the kids would automatically go to my son and she says it wont because the judge will not allow it.
She has us all on pins and needles because she has already tol us if we go against her we will only get to see the kids on our sons weekends as oposed to every day like it is now.My son hasnt had a vacation with the children in three years,yet she has taken them out of state many times for vacation.She gets the holidays she chooses and always gets christmas eve and christmas day.She thinks it is her right as a mother and the father comes second or third,whichever she thinks at the time.
I must go now,I will finish this later.What do you think so far.


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Re: mother refuses to cooperate [Re: mawmawpammie]
      #205773 - 05/19/08 08:51 AM (76.185.59.234)
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At first I thought ez might be a little extream but I'm starting to think that ez is right. Unless you have a court order saying you have to ask for permission from her you can do what you want. I'll read your long post later today when I get more time.

Ok I got to read the whole thing. I remember all this now. Make sure your son stays on his meds and does what the doctors says. It doesn't matter what she tells the school. Your son needs to make an appointment with the school princeple and take a copy of the court orders for the school to keep. Explain it to the princeple and ask to see your daughters file. She may have missdirected the school in writing (good stuff to have in court). You do not have to ask her what and were you are going during his visitations. EZ is right you need to start documenting everything.

Edited by chatter box (05/19/08 10:44 AM)


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Re: mother refuses to cooperate [Re: chatter box]
      #205878 - 05/19/08 02:17 PM (64.12.117.143)
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sorry about the long post...its just hard to get good advice unless the whole story is out there.My son did go to the school,got records found out the child is failing had all kinds of unexcused absences,tardy a few times,etc...he now has the school sending him the same thing they send home to mommy and the principal told him they couldnt stop him from taking the child but ask him not to put them in that position.Of course he isnt but to know the mommy didnt get the upper hand like she claimed is a releif.We have documented everything that has went on in the past three years,but it doesnt look like the judge will get to see any of it.The mommy was even reported for letting a minor have booze in her home but DHR found no merit.Of course she is going to lie to them.There is NNNNNOOOOOOO court order of any kind.Not for custody temp or otherwise ,not for child support,not for supervised visits,but the mommy tells us that if my son tries to take the kids anywhere she will come get them and keep them from him until they get an order.Wont my sons present doctor records count now and not the ones he had three years ago.??The mommy really has been a BULLY and she has been lead to think that the lawyer will get just what she has demanded.Her lawyer doesnt know the whole story.Wouldnt even her lawyer want to see court ordered supervised visits before he can even tell her thats going to stick??My sons lawyer told him that she wouldnt go along with the supervised visits because that wont be good for him..The real kicker is that my hubby and I are the supervised parties!!Dah,his visits arent supervised as far as the court will know.he comes to our home because we enjoy having the children too and he is in the middle of getting his own place.OK.......NOw what do you think will happen???

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Re: mother refuses to cooperate [Re: mawmawpammie]
      #206067 - 05/20/08 07:18 AM (76.185.59.234)
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The current doctors orders are what they court will go by. You may even have to get the doctor to testify. I still see no reason for suppervised visits. I just do not think supervised visits in this case are worth worring about. I would be more concerned about the kids grades. Your X DNL sounds like my X.

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Re: mother refuses to cooperate [Re: chatter box]
      #206235 - 05/20/08 02:42 PM (205.188.117.143)
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I am concerned about the kids grades.When I heard that even after tutoring that she still might repeat the first grade I went home that night and cried.I felt so helpless.If I push the mommy she will put me in my place real quick no matter how much I have done for her and the kids.I am just the mawmaw of the kids and have no right to say anything,but I am supose to run when she calls in need of something.Anyway,my son talked to the principal and she couldnt tell him what was going to happen because the grading period wasnt over yet.The mommy is always saying ,I was slow like that too when I was younger.THAT IS NO EXCUSE FOR HER NOT TO DO BETTER FOR THE KIDS!!!The mommy is 26 yrs old and still cant read...Well,she can read at a third grade level...maybe.I think the mommy is just blowing smoke hoping or convincing herself of something that isnt there.Sad for her.

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