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faith4two
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When is it no longer poor taste?
      #205351 - 05/16/08 01:56 PM (66.169.163.142)
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Once you've moved onto a new relationship with someone else (not a fleeting one - we've had a child together in addition to the one with the X) and the new partner has a genuine interest in your child's education, when is it no longer in poor taste to show up with that individual at a general parent meeting at the child's school where the STBX will be present?

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Re: When is it no longer poor taste? [Re: faith4two]
      #205357 - 05/16/08 02:33 PM (68.110.66.68)
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I don't think it's in poor taste after marriage. If re-marriage is not inappropriate, then caring step-parenting is not inappropriate. Think of the alternative? A Cinderella-style EVIL stepmother? I think the exes will soemtimes never agree, but it's the EX's sick issue if they don't want more adults loving and trying to help thier children make it to adulthood safely and successfully. It's pathetic when they choose to get angry over a step-parent who wants to care, help and be involved. Like they fear they're going to be replaced (a ridiculous fear) in their kids' hearts?

However, a good stepparemtn who cares about the kid will try to find a way to aprticipate without allowing the other parent to feel threatened. In my case, because my husband's ex seems to be threatened by every move I make, I've had to totally stay out of a lot of stuff. It's pathetic, but I have to find different ways to show I care. I show I care by not letting the kid's mother get too crazy if I can help it (at least not crazy about the things I can help)... I show I care by checking up on thie rhomework & grades behing the scenes, talking bout it with my husband, and finding ways to free up his time so he can spent it with them studying and talking about college & such rather than cooking & cleaning when they're with us. luckily, he's a good father, has always been the one more involved with the teachers & such, and her presence at those conferences really started when they divorced in some odd reaction to ... I don't know, trying to prove she's involved? Trying to ... whatever.

I dont' think there's a teacher, coach, principal, counselor... or even kid's friends' parent around who would find it in bad taste for a step to care, to show up, to support and try to help. The only time someone would comment or even care is if it somehow upsets the other parent adn the other parent makes an issue of it.

But if the other parent IS making an issue of it, the damage to the kids of the other parent being upset over this and gossipping, making everyone uncomfrotable, is more damaging than the failure of the step to be present at the parent-teacher conferences.... so the step should step out if the other parent is unable to handle things gracefully. THAT is the thing that will be the best result for this kid... in this situation. It's not a good situation, but that's the other parent they're stuck with... a crazy one who prefers to alienate caring adults from the child's life rather than welcome the help. It's not an optimal situation, but the poitn is to make the best of the bad situation, the step has to back off for that thing.

Now, sometimes, there are ways to get around it and not upset the other parent... setting up separate parent-teacher conferences is one common way of fixing that. Maybe you could try that?


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Re: When is it no longer poor taste? [Re: gigi]
      #205369 - 05/16/08 04:18 PM (204.80.222.11)
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I think if the bio parent is involved a step parent should not attend teacher conferences and such ever. IMO the main thing it shows is the step parent somehow doesn't trust thier spouse to take care of this type of thing appropriatly and wants to hover over them and "help" them make decisions on their child.

To me it is more a power thing for the step than what is best for the child situation. Especially in situations of a cheating adulterous spouse - who wants their Ex's cheatmate attending school conferences involving their kid ?


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Re: When is it no longer poor taste? [Re: faith4two]
      #205402 - 05/16/08 07:53 PM (68.44.208.144)
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when all parties involved are divorced. not before.

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Re: When is it no longer poor taste? [Re: Starion]
      #205403 - 05/16/08 08:18 PM (68.110.66.68)
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Who in the WORLD says that all steps are cheatmates? How about if they simply care about the kids? How about if thier own kids are involved in the school? How about if they're stay-at-homes and have more time to spend with the kids? How about if they're a step-FATHER and the only of the other 3 parents (bio and step) who has a clue about math, or who went to college, or who knows about sports schoarships enough because they went to college on one?

How about if the step is financing the child's attendance at the private school or will be financing it at the college?

There are ALL KINDS of reasons that a step might choose to show up and it's usually NOT that they're interested in going to a boring old parent-teacher conference just for the purpose of messing with the ex. I'm not saying that there are not a few steps for whom that's their purpose in life, but most of us did NOT cheat, most of us do NOT want to upset the ex, most of us DO care about the kids and usually we bring something to the table that the other parents who are alreayd present in the kids' lives havent' already brought.

Bio parents who are upset about a step's attendance at these functions are letting thier own personal jealousies get in the way of doing right by their kids, and it's wrong... but because theyr'e the bio parent, it's the step's job to be the "bigger person" and step back if the bio parent can't manage thier own emotions about the issue.


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Re: When is it no longer poor taste? [Re: gigi]
      #205408 - 05/16/08 09:32 PM (68.44.208.144)
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not all steps are cheatmates, but in this situation they are. and regardless, let the divorce be completed first.

i, of course, am looking at it from a different view point than faith. i was the one that was cheated on, and i now have to contend with still being married to him, they are expecting a child, she is still married, they attend my children's school and sports activities as a family. the cheaters don't see the hurt this causes.

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Re: When is it no longer poor taste? [Re: ssrachel]
      #205412 - 05/16/08 09:56 PM (68.41.4.141)
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If the 2 of you were having an affair while you were married than the answer is never. He will never have a right to pretend to have the child’s best interests at heart. So if this is how it is than it is how it is.

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Re: When is it no longer poor taste? [Re: gigi]
      #205439 - 05/17/08 02:57 AM (66.169.163.142)
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Gigi's response was the only one that had come about by the time I left to pick up our child from school this afternoon. From there, we were off to see the new Narnia, and straight back to the school for the meeting.

In thinking about her recent notions of wanting Mom, Dad and BF to all be friends, I asked her, "What do you think of BF attending the meeting at the school?" She jumped on it, "That would be COOL!" She paused for a moment and then said, "But Dad is going to be mad." She paused yet again and said, "Maybe we can hide BF in a costume or something so Dad won't know he's there."

I went with my gut and her desire to have the BF there (sans costume). Everyone behaved, and based on the individual warm fuzzy responses the BF and I both received from her on an exchange night (leaving at separate times as we had houseguests waiting on us), I realize it was the right thing to do for HER. She was genuinely proud.


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Re: When is it no longer poor taste? [Re: Starion]
      #205475 - 05/17/08 12:12 PM (66.169.163.142)
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As a "Cheatmate", I felt the need to say something. I've watched many such posts come and go on this site and have been amazed at the amount of personal axe grinding that occurs. This poster asks a legitimate question. When DOES it stop, and where?

What if the bio-father is a deadbeat Dad? What if he has used their common child to consistently beat the Mother over the head with in the divorce process? What if the "Step" is a good provider that has formed a very special bond with the child in question? I guess what I am really asking is that at what point does bio-dad take on some responsibility for his OWN behavior?

OK, I "cheated on my wife, and with my mate, on her husband the bio-dad. That's a given. I can't say I am openly very proud of my actions. But is that going to be the defining moment of the rest of my life? Do we still wear Scarlet Letters?

I remember standing in a church and taking a LOT of vows, one of which was to never forsake that commitment to the other in a physical sense. I broke that vow. However, there were a lot of other words said that day. Words like respect, love, honor & cherish. Having lived through my marriage MYSELF (which is something the rest of you can't say), my ex regularly disregarded many of those words in spite of my best efforts to be an equal partner.

My point here is that there are always 2 sides to every story. When using words like cheat-mate and cheater, you unnecessarly define the "Step" as nothing but that. I am a past leader of 2 different fraternal organizations, top salesman in my company, a good provider for my step-family, etc. The bio-dad in my case is none of those things.

Why shouldn't I be interested in the well-being of a child that looks to me with love and respect? I have said to her from the very beginning that I am NOT her father. I'm not looking to be her father. I'm looking to care for and love her as the man that loves her mother enough to marry her.

I go back to my original question, when and where does this stop. Do I not attend dance recitals and plays? How about graduation? Her wedding as a young woman? When is it incumbant on the bio-dad to reign in his OWN emotions and ego?

In labeling me, or anyone like me with the cutesy term "cheat-mate", you are also letting the bio-dad off the hook for his own actions, thus permitting him to do literally anything. In my case, bio-dad regularly uses his daughter as a cudgel to punish and manipulate Mom. When does that stop, and more importantly why shouldn't it?

I don't know what the particulars of Faith's situation is, but I say if the "step" is willing and able to support her daughter in whatever endeavor, then more power to him.

I'm almost 50 years old and in the last year, friends and family alike have defined my 50 years of existance in one word - Cheater. Frankly, I'm tired of it. It's ludicrous to define a persons life by any one single act.

No person should have to live the rest of their life with the concern of "what will bio-dad think of this if I do that". I'm not saying that a step should be unconcerned with the ripple effect of his/her actions. However, there are a lot of GOOD people out there that are in this situation that are truly trying to do the best for their new or future spouses, and through them, their children.

And to deny their existence and participation in the child's life is to sell the CHILD short!! The children shouldn't be punished for the actions of the parents, and if anyone thinks they should be, then God help those children.


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Re: When is it no longer poor taste? [Re: cubsfan]
      #205480 - 05/17/08 12:53 PM (72.147.235.193)
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I'm sorry you are labeled a cheater but hey guess what...that is what you are. Doesn't matter what she did, doesn't matter what she didn't do, you made the decision to cheat...period. You had the simple answer to avoid the label....get a divorce then get into another relationship. Sometimes our lives ARE defined in a single moment.

I'm not saying you are a bad person, that you are not trying to be a great step-parent, that you don't really love your current wife; I am saying your current relationship started on a level that most people in society find distasteful. Our society so disgusts cheaters that they will move blame from a drug addict, a convict, emotionally disturbed to the one that did the cheating. I have never once heard anywhere someone say "It's ok that you cheated he/she deserved it and you were right to do it". Now Im not 50 but getting close so maybe in the next decade I will have that opportunity to hear it but I have my doubts.

The converse is also true I have heard from everyone that has ever cheated "Hey it just happened it wasn't our fault and it's not who I am". Whats that quote? "I think thou protests to much". Just some thoughts from a guy that was cheated on so I am somewhat biased in my opinions.

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