numbnms
Platinum
 
Reged: 10/18/07
Posts: 650
|
|
To answer the OP question,as long as everyone is trying to work in the interest of the children I wouldnt mind a step attending any function, be it a ball game, a school play, a school conference. As long as the parents can be parents and not act like the children they are trying to raise then I dont see the problem. It may be a bit uncomforatable at times (for the adults) but we do things for the kids sake. The more people that genuinly sp love my kids and try to help them grow as people the better.
That sounds good in theory and I will have to report back on if I am actually able to put it into practice concerning my ex and her cheatie.
-------------------- Forget waiting for the storm to pass
Learn to dance in the rain
|
mrpat
Platinum
 
Reged: 09/12/07
Posts: 2618
Loc: Michigan
|
|
Cubsfan if you were in my situation with my kids no matter how good you think you are you'd always be a distant second best. You helped ruin a marriage and a family....................you are the scum on pond scum. Don't sugarcoat it, just live your part. Enjoy your happy thoughts of your new life and never turn your back.
Amazing how you people think what you did is explained away with anything you think others like might to hear.
Consider yourself lucky to have never done this to someone like me.
I don't grind an axe for you ..........just your type.
-------------------- People don't care how much you know.........until they know how much you care.
|
Jada
Platinum

Reged: 06/02/07
Posts: 3234
|
|
You said:
My point here is that there are always 2 sides to every story. When using words like cheat-mate and cheater, you unnecessarly define the "Step" as nothing but that. I am a past leader of 2 different fraternal organizations, top salesman in my company, a good provider for my step-family, etc. The bio-dad in my case is none of those things.
My response:
You are also the one that had an affair with a married woman. That is cheating. Like it or not, you cheated. Doesn't matter what the bio father does or doesn't do. He is the father.
Now ask yourself this question: What's going to stop her from cheating on you? She has shown quite clearly that she is capable of cheating.
You said:
Why shouldn't I be interested in the well-being of a child that looks to me with love and respect?
My response:
If you had the well-being of the child in mind, you would not have helped break up her family.
You said:
I have said to her from the very beginning that I am NOT her father.
My response:
No, the guy whose wife you stole is the father.
You said:
I go back to my original question, when and where does this stop. Do I not attend dance recitals and plays? How about graduation? Her wedding as a young woman? When is it incumbant on the bio-dad to reign in his OWN emotions and ego?
My response:
You don't actually expect him to be your friend, do you? You did, after all, commit adultery with his wife.
You said:
In labeling me, or anyone like me with the cutesy term "cheat-mate", you are also letting the bio-dad off the hook for his own actions, thus permitting him to do literally anything. In my case, bio-dad regularly uses his daughter as a cudgel to punish and manipulate Mom. When does that stop, and more importantly why shouldn't it?
My response:
The child shouldn't be used against either parent.
But that doesn't change the fact that you are a cheatmate. Don't like that label, then you shouldn't have cheated with a married woman.
You said:
I don't know what the particulars of Faith's situation is, but I say if the "step" is willing and able to support her daughter in whatever endeavor, then more power to him.
My response:
Faith is still married to the child's bio father.
You said:
I'm almost 50 years old and in the last year, friends and family alike have defined my 50 years of existance in one word - Cheater. Frankly, I'm tired of it. It's ludicrous to define a persons life by any one single act.
My response:
You may have a lot of definitions of you as a person, everybody does.
Cheater happens to be one of yours. Like it or not, you cheated with a married woman. That is part of who you are.
|
gigi
Platinum
 
Reged: 11/06/06
Posts: 4836
|
|
Here's the problem. If you are the type of person to move on with a new relationship before tellign the previous relationship that it's over, then it's going to haunt you forever. There's no getting around that no matter how good you are in other areas. It's best to simply back off and not involve yourself in anything involving the previous relationship, including the kid's lives, becasue eventually the kids will grow up old enough to put together a few memories and figure it out. Just like they eventually check to see if Mom & Dad's anniversary was at least 9 months before the date of birth of the oldest child, they're going to know whether or not it's appropriate for Daddy to now be married to his mother's former best friend, and when, exactly, did that best friend start showing up during the day when mom was gone.
Truly, in those situations it's always in poor taste, the whole relationship is in poor taste and there's no way to fix it. That's the type of person you are if you've done that and you have to live with the reputation that follows.
If your ex broke the vows by not honoring you, moved out of the bedroom, treated you like dirt, you STILL had the responsibility to LEAVE the HOUSE before moving on. Say, I'm leaving, this is it, we're no longer a copule, we're getting a divorce, it's over. Make it clear.
Some people aren't as insistent on all the paperwork being done, some are. Some people set their morality by whether or not a judge has actually signed off on final papers... but to me that's not the defining point. To me, the defining point is whether or not you've let the family know that the family is now going to be split. AFTER THAT, if you move on, hten at least it's out in the open and not "cheating", which is what happens when one people is getting lied to about the relationship...
BUT, Jada, I have one problem with one fo the things you're saying in context of this particualr question... the issue being whetehr it's OK or whether the kids will be more hurt than helped by the presence of the step-parent once re-marriage has occurred. You're suggesting that the morality of the OTHER person is the defining thing and that THAT person is the bad guy here so should be excluded from the school events. You are at the same time suggesting that this bad guy needs to worry that if his wife cheated with him on her first husband, what's to say she won't cheat ON him with the NEXT guy she thinks is cute.
I think yo'ure absolutely correct in putting the responsibility for teh cheating on the person who was part of the couple and who left the couple to have a fling... NOT so much the responsibility of the person who was NOT part of the couple... becasue THAT person is not the one who took any vows with regard to that marriage...
But if you're saying that the BIRTH MOM, who was the one who is not re-married to the guy she cheated with, if you're saying the BIRTH parent is REALLY the evil one who can't be trusted, that her behaivor is so bad that it's in poor taste for her new husband to be excluded... then what you're saying is taht SHE is the one who's not much of a parent and SHE maybe shoudl be the one who is excluded... SHE is, after all, of the three of them (birth dad, birth mom and step dad)... the WORST of the three... Step is second worst... and tehn birth dad would be considered the angel in this scene.
But... maybe birth dad was violent and step arrived on the scene during a moment when she needed protecting? Does that now make him evil parent number one and cheating birth mom is evil only on a second level and STEP becomes, of the three, the best of the bunch? Does step now have the right to go to school events rather than the violent adn abusive birth dad?
Is there EVER a circumstance under which teh poor kid will have ANY of his parents or step-parents' POSITIVE qualities recognized and therefore allow them to e permitted to attend school functions? Or does the fact tha tpeople are divorce give us the right to run around judging them and saying there's something wrong with them... pointing fingers of blame and saying, "you're bad so you don't get to go"?
Which is why I stand by my first answer. If the birth parent wants to do right by thier kids, (which this is what the thread is all about... it's about the kids, not about the cheaters)... then the birth parents will gracious allow as many interested adults as possible to show up, participate, offer homework assistance, etc. If the birth parents are unable to do this for whatever personal issues they are still experiencing (anger over being cheated upon, for example), then it's appropraite for a caring step-parent to step back and recognize that the birth parent's comfort in participating is most important at this moment to the needs of the child.
When we start getting embroiled in who was sleeping with whom and WHEN... then it's stuff the kids really shoudl NOT be burdened with... kids who are maybe not even old enough to know what sex is, let alone what cheating means with regards to sex... To me, it's in more poor taste to send the message to the kids taht the ex and her new husband are being immoral, than it will EVER be in poor taste for her new husband to show up at thier school events.
Now, another question... does the answer change when the step in question is part of the primary residential household, is the one to organize the schedules, do the homework, drive the kids to & from school and their events on a regular basis? Versus when the step in question is simply a new spouse of the weekend parent who never cracks a book, never shares the car-pool, only shows up for Disney, movies, vacations but otherwise is just a non-person in the kids' eyes?
Wouldn't it be NICE if the kid showed up at any event (school or otherwise) and ALL parents and steps and grandparents and siblings and step-siblings were there... and no one was busy pointing fingers at each other, no one accusing anyone of being abusive, being a deadbeat, being a cheater? how wonderful would that be for the kid?
I just dont' understnad why everyone doesn' want this for their own kid and figure out how to put their own feeligns about the adult issues aside to make room for the kid's interests.
Sigh.
A question about trying to help the kid out in school, and it turns into people accusing each other of being cheaters and pointing fingers of blame all over the place, making everyone, birth parents, step parents, cheaters & non-cheaters alike, ALL look like a bunch of wrong-minded people rather than being able to come together in the best interests of teh kids. It's too bad that the parents can't find a way to protect the kids from the details of thier own pain.
But
|
faith4two
Platinum
 
Reged: 11/11/07
Posts: 353
|
|
Interestingly enough, of all the shame I live with, being a cheater is the least on the list. The biggest shame was not trusting my instinct that my X was a manipulative and controlling jerk and that on the numerous occasions I did leave - long before cheating ever crossed my mind - I didn't have the courage to stay gone. I believed the lies and bullsh*t and came back to try and try again, to only find myself right back in the same place I was before.
In fact, I can see now that I'm clean and OUT of that situation that my X was the one who taught me how to cheat, lie and manipulate beyond what I would have ever been capable of before. And I chose that lifestyle over my own sanity.
I think what cubsfan is trying to say has more to do with how cheating is perceived in such black and white terms, but every other wrong in a marriage is in a much more appealing shade of gray that will never compare. And unless you've actually lived it, just like I can't say I understand the magnitude of hurt of a victim who has been cheated on, one can't say definitively that the pain is more or less in the end. We must agree to disagree.
My X was a cheater, too - and not just in an emotional or physical capacity, but in just about every area of his life. If anything, his actions actually helped me hone my skills in that regard. It wasn't fun. I hated it, but in order to survive as long as I did, that's what it took to be married to him.
So when the X and I both stand in that light - having both cheated - where does that leave us?
|
faith4two
Platinum
 
Reged: 11/11/07
Posts: 353
|
|
"I just dont' understnad why everyone doesn' want this for their own kid and figure out how to put their own feeligns about the adult issues aside to make room for the kid's interests."
This is truly what I'd like to accomplish. However, in making the various attempts in the past year to do the right things for the right reasons in a co-parenting capacity as much as possible, I find the manipulation and control issues of the X are more prevalent than ever.
Realizing my OWN need to take responsibility for my own actions (inclusive of both being the perp and the victim in my marraige), where do I get to reclaim that part of who I am - the one who IS in control of me? Does my cheating/perpetration set the stage that he gets to control and manipulate me until she's emancipated? I think not.
|
mrpat
Platinum
 
Reged: 09/12/07
Posts: 2618
Loc: Michigan
|
|
What a tangled web we weave...............and than hope the children aren't the victims of our decisions. I can't say I know right from wrong anymore, I just know pain. I will live with it the rest of my life in one way or another.
-------------------- People don't care how much you know.........until they know how much you care.
|
faith4two
Platinum
 
Reged: 11/11/07
Posts: 353
|
|
Even in the best of families, it's a crap shoot whether or not children become the victims. That has a lot to do with whether or not the parents choose to be a victim. They are mirrors of us after all.
And that's really the whole point of my original question.... It's not my intent to be insensitive to my X; however, I can't change the fact that he's first in line to volunteer for the victim role. I'm quite confident that there are few who know who he REALLY is underneath the surface.
Even if I hadn't had an affair, I'd still be facing a host of issues related to "damned if I do, damned if I don't" decisions that have been established for one purpose - so that he can have his cake and eat it, too. The real underlying question becomes, cheater or not, how do I discern when it's time to stop allowing that to drive what I do???
|
mrpat
Platinum
 
Reged: 09/12/07
Posts: 2618
Loc: Michigan
|
|
I offer my apologies. I am no one to cast my ideas on others. I was hurt in my divorce and hate the sight of my x's other man. You may ignore me now as I would like to ignore me too.
-------------------- People don't care how much you know.........until they know how much you care.
|
msty
Platinum

Reged: 11/16/07
Posts: 221
|
|
Hi D, (long time but I check in occasionally!) Having been in your husband's shoes, I can understand why he wouldn't want your new man in your daughter's life. I definitely have a bitterness towards the woman my ex cheated on me with and subsequently got pregnant before our divorce. But I know that is my own pain, not my daughter's. On mother's day, my daughter gave me a flower pot and said her daddy's gf helped her make it, along with the card. My initial response was, "ugh I wanna throw it away". But seeing how it was from my kid, I couldn't. And I sat there looking at it and thinking, if this woman could go sit there with my kid and help her do this for me, when she knows that I would spit on her if I saw her on the street, she must have some inner strength and compassion that I am lacking at this juncture. So I texted her Thank you, happy mothers day and wished her the best. She responded with the same. It was the nicest communication I have had with this woman since I found out about the affair. I know that my bitterness will not immediately disappear, and I still do not respect this person, but dammit if she didn't just prove that she is a better person by doing that. And if she can continue to give me the space I need to raise my child, and respect that my ex and I are the only parents of my child, and that she does not belong at parent meetings at the school, or doctors appointments, or other parent related activities unless specifically asked by both of us, then I think we might someday reach a point where I do not want to spit on her when I see her or yell obscenities about physical appearance and sexual habits. There really is no need for the other person to try and push their views on the upbringing of the child. If the child already has two parents who take active measures in raising the child, then the third is inappropriate. There are other ways to influence a child and help with upbringing. Your new man is not her father. He can be a role model in other ways though, and I know that you two will find that balance. Good luck and take care! I hope your hiatus is almost over! LOL. Taylor
-------------------- Everything now is as it should be.
|
|