tmstigers7
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Yes, My divorce was in Mississippi. State law says I pay 20% of my Gross adjusted income(2 kids). I bring home $2,993.00 after taxes each month as an Asst. Principal. $633.00 of that is deducted for child support. I also pay their medical, dental, and cancer coverage which costs $215.00 per month. I don't mind paying, but at $848.00 per month, I rent just a $450 apartment and pretty well much stay in debt. My ex-wife on the other hand maes $75,000 per year and pretty well much has no debt. Can I request that child suport be reduced since she does so well. Just a couple of hundred dollars would help.
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mistake#2
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Why are not able to live on more than $1500 per month after paying rent too? Am I missing something cause I don't get it...
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ttina
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I lived on less than that and no support WITH my child before I remarried.
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tookway2much
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Have you ever thought about a second job?
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mistake#2
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[quote]Have you ever thought about a second job? [/quote]
Forget a second job...how about a course on money management?
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tmstigers7
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OK Guys looked to get a little help........didn't realize I had entered the "Men Club Haters Annonymous" My ex make right at $80,000 per yr and you chics are evidentally just are out to see how much money you can rake guys over the coals. Look my wife cheated several times and left me with very nice surprises if you kno what I mean an I shell out over 800 per month. Thanks for the wise cracks. Get a 2nd job huh? I'm an administrator. School systems and LEA's do not put up with that. You know ladies, you guys are not always the victim. Sorry for landing in your "FOM" Club. (fellowship of the miserable)
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FriendlyShldrs
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Everyone here is concentrating on what you have each month after you pay your rent and child support costs. What I noticed is that your ex is making 75k a year and you're making approximately 45k. What I'm trying to figure out is why you're paying child support when she's making 30k more than you a year? This just doesn't make sense to me, but everyone else wants to focus on the fact that you want a few extra bucks when you already have 1500 each month.
I'm not sure about anyone else but I know that what he hasn't said anything about are all his other expenses. Such as electricity, phone, water, etc. Not to mention that this person may still be paying off college loans. Since they didn't mention ALL their expenses, let's focus on what they DID mention, which is the disparity of the incomes.
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Jada
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[quote]Everyone here is concentrating on what you have each month after you pay your rent and child support costs. What I noticed is that your ex is making 75k a year and you're making approximately 45k. What I'm trying to figure out is why you're paying child support when she's making 30k more than you a year? This just doesn't make sense to me, but everyone else wants to focus on the fact that you want a few extra bucks when you already have 1500 each month.
I'm not sure about anyone else but I know that what he hasn't said anything about are all his other expenses. Such as electricity, phone, water, etc. Not to mention that this person may still be paying off college loans. Since they didn't mention ALL their expenses, let's focus on what they DID mention, which is the disparity of the incomes. [/quote]
It all depends on how the state calculates child support. If it isn't an income share state, then her income doesn't matter at all. Nor does his parenting time.
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tmstigers7
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Yeah, It's called "living". car note, utilities, insurance, clothing,etc., etc. some little something called car gas. I bring home $2,300 after taxes and after child support is paid. My ex brings home $5,000 per month plus the $800 she gets for child support. Do the math folks. So, let's get this right, "I do everythng right, she does everything wrong, and I still come out bad. C'mon guys get over your ex and make sense. Not all men are bad.
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beachgirl
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You can go back and request that child support be modified. Are you paying all of the medical or is it split? My state gives credit to the one paying these expenses against the total child support. Does yours?
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Jada
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[quote]Yeah, It's called "living". car note, utilities, insurance, clothing,etc., etc. some little something called car gas. I bring home $2,300 after taxes and after child support is paid. My ex brings home $5,000 per month plus the $800 she gets for child support. Do the math folks. So, let's get this right, "I do everythng right, she does everything wrong, and I still come out bad. C'mon guys get over your ex and make sense. Not all men are bad. [/quote]
No, not all men are bad. The only person who has said that is, well, you.
Children aren't cheap. And if they are young enough for childcare, then that is added onto the child support.
Being bitter because your ex is in a field that pays more than your field does is only hurting you.
You can always request a modification, that doesn't mean that you will get your support lowered.
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ttina
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I apologize if my previous post came out as I hate men. lol, I do not hate men.... most of my friends are men. I ran the state calculator, from the general info I guess you have two kids. Your state is one that does not facter in the CP's income. The site I looked at doesn't have info on insurance requirements. Did you sign the order with an attorney or was this a judgement? In all honesty, (not men hating here, just stating fact) you have it pretty good. I have a co-worker who pays 45% of his pay to child support. Granted, he has three kids and he didn't listen to me when he just signed the seperation agreement. Child support is a seperate issue than divorce. The fact that your ex made bad decions during the marriage has absolutely nothing to do with child support. For injuries from tha marriage, monetary compensation should be evaluated into the ED agreement. How long ago was the order issued... in your state you can go in for modification every three years... the only thing I would think you had a chance of changing would be the health insurance. Contact the CS office and ask specifically if insurance is part of the equation or if it is seperate. If you signed an agreement to pay insurance, you may not be able to get out of it, but if it were ordered, I'd read the order... see if there were any stipulations that were attached in reguards to insurance.... if you weren't ordered specifically to pay insurance, that amount may reduce the amount you send to CS b/c you would get credit for the expedature.
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mistake#2
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[quote]OK Guys looked to get a little help........didn't realize I had entered the "Men Club Haters Annonymous"
**nothing to do with hating men, as that obviously isn't my case...
My ex make right at $80,000 per yr and you chics are evidentally just are out to see how much money you can rake guys over the coals.
**We were asking what made it so you couldn't live on the amount you had left, since you were the one who stated what you made and what you paid for rent yet were going into debt each month.
Look my wife cheated several times and left me with very nice surprises if you kno what I mean an I shell out over 800 per month. Thanks for the wise cracks. Get a 2nd job huh? I'm an administrator. School systems and LEA's do not put up with that.
**Her cheating doesn't negate the fact that you have to help financially support your child.
You know ladies, you guys are not always the victim. Sorry for landing in your "FOM" Club. (fellowship of the miserable) [/quote]
**I don't recall anyone saying they were miserable...nor anyone calling themselves a victim, although you alluded that you are a victim of your ex-wife.
**What does child support guidelines say you should pay? If it states you should pay less than ask for a modification.
**I often wonder with people that live beyond their means and then complain about going into debt, how much they actually waste. I have tenants that can't seem to pay their rent yet they have money for smokes and beer, going out to eat, and outlandish toys for their kids. They seem to think its okay and justify that the landlord doesn't need their money as we seem to have plenty. The fact that we have made better choices in property and jobs doesn't change the fact that they have an obligation to pay their rent. Likewise, just because your ex-wife made a better choice in her career doesn't change the obligation you have to support your child.
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tmstigers7
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Wow, You are very intelligent. Thanks for responding to every statement I made. You are right. I have changed my mind on every concern. Thank you so much. Wow, I feel so much better.
God Bless You! Thanks again
Your friend
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mistake#2
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I guess that means that you ARE paying what's mandated by child support guidelines and you DO waste money on smokes & booze...thanks for clearing that up.
another suggestion, since your apparently sooo open-minded, would be to share an apt. so you can split costs with a roommate oh & purchase a cheaper vehicle that gets better gas mileage or just take the bus if it is too far to bike or walk. Quit smoking & quit drinking, stop eating out, start shopping at Goodwill & the local discount grocery store, quit wasting money on video games, cable and internet as those aren't necessities either.
Your posting on a forum that has a lot of people who really scrimp and work HARD (2 & 3 jobs) just to pay their rent & keep food on the table after they either pay their child support obligation or for lack of receiving ordered child support by a NCP, so it should be expected that many would wonder why YOU CAN'T seem to make it on $1500 a month AFTER paying rent & child support. Since you refuse to address the issue with simple numbers and instead jump on a man-hating bandwagon that was in no way even implied let alone suggested, it's obvious that you were looking to slam the ex-wife for asking you to help support your children when she makes more money than yourself and wanting a legitimate way on how to change the amount that you have been obligated to pay.
As many has said, the only way to lower the support is to file a modification...but if your paying what's mandated in pro-rata to incomes, then it's not going to change anyhow. I'm guessing that your angry that your not getting the answer you want as you have no legal recourse to lower your child support.
Edited by mistake#2 (05/25/08 08:02 AM)
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Samsung
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Regardless of the issue at hand, I find it almost unbelievable you are a school administrator. I'me a teacher, and I've never met one that has come across as unprofessional as you have presented yourself. You are an embarrassment to the profession.
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infinity386
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"(2) The guidelines provided for in subsection (1) of this section apply unless the judicial or administrative body awarding or modifying the child support award makes a written finding or specific finding on the record that the application of the guidelines would be unjust or inappropriate in a particular case as determined under the criteria specified in Section 43-19-103." quoted from http://www.mscode.com/free/statutes/43/019/0101.htm
and "(g) The particular shared parental arrangement, such as where the noncustodial parent spends a great deal of time with the children thereby reducing the financial expenditures incurred by the custodial parent, or the refusal of the noncustodial parent to become involved in the activities of the child, or giving due consideration to the custodial parent's homemaking services." quoted from http://www.mscode.com/free/statutes/43/019/0103.htm
I empathies with you. Although you must understand, this site is filled with disgruntle hateful people who enjoy nothing more than attacking legitimate posters like you. Do not be discouraged. I advise you to continue your search on this forum and several others like this. Just weed out the hate mongers. Don't even respond to them.
Now looking at the law, it seems like you have a very good chance of having your support adjusted.
The amount of time you spend with your children will matter a great deal. Also consider taking a temporary leave from your job and focuses on fighting for custody. This would put her in a bind because she would have to pay for the bulk of the legal fees.
At any rate you have a very good case for lowering your support obligation.
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theanswerguy
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You should request a modification seeking insurance costs be apportioned by income between the parties .
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pueblonative
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[quote]Yes, My divorce was in Mississippi. State law says I pay 20% of my Gross adjusted income(2 kids). I bring home $2,993.00 after taxes each month as an Asst. Principal. $633.00 of that is deducted for child support. I also pay their medical, dental, and cancer coverage which costs $215.00 per month. I don't mind paying, but at $848.00 per month, I rent just a $450 apartment and pretty well much stay in debt. My ex-wife on the other hand maes $75,000 per year and pretty well much has no debt. Can I request that child suport be reduced since she does so well. Just a couple of hundred dollars would help. [/quote]
You can but I would make sure I brought in all of my debts and expenses. Make sure you've cut down to the bone (i.e. no dining out, etc).
It sounds also like you're living as an anchor dad. one bad month and you'll go under. If you do happen to have a financial problem (typically a 10 percent reduction in pay) immediately go to the courts for a modification. The courts pretty much treat fathers like walking wallets, but the last thing you want to give them is an excuse that "he just tried to ignore away the problems.
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Jada
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[quote]
You can but I would make sure I brought in all of my debts and expenses. Make sure you've cut down to the bone (i.e. no dining out, etc). [/quote]
An FYI, as the above implies that your expenses and debt will play a factor in the child support calculations, expenses and debt of either party play no factor in child support calculations. It is based on income, either one or both depending on the state.
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ttina
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Where is the advice/compassion for "anchor moms"? I have pulled myself out of thr financial pit with a second job and cutting not only to the bone, but into the bone. There was a point where Ramen noodles were my staple when son was away but son's insurance was always paid... he always had lunch money. We had the house payment (greatful to my boss for selline me the property at a rediculiously low monthly payment of 400.00 a month), lights, heat (for the first two winters), truck payment, son's insurance, truck insurance, credit card payment, child care, and all the daily expenses of a child. Ex wrote bad checks and my account was drafted of 800.00 (whole amount that was in there) and there was a "hold" for 1600.00 more. Since it was right after payday, I was running around cancelling checks so they wouldn't bounce. Since Son's savings account was attatched to my name, it was raided for the little bit (350.00) that was in there. I was sunk.... the anchor had fallen into the depths. My co-worker gave me 800.00 so I could cover my bills. It took me six months to pay him back, but I did. Do I have sympathy for a man who has to pay 20% of his salary to support his child.... no i do not.
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taryn
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[quote]Yeah, It's called "living". car note, utilities, insurance, clothing,etc., etc. some little something called car gas. I bring home $2,300 after taxes and after child support is paid. [/quote]
off the child support and how much is fair topic..i can only WISH that someday i will have 2300$ a month after taxes to take care of me and my kids! and that INCLUDES the cs.
grated you ex makes a LOT of extra $$ and id look into some modification, but if your to pay 20% of whatever your income is, then that's how it goes.
i mean, think of it this way,
even if i MAKE a little amount and am barely making it,
my stbx will only have to pay 20% for cs...even if with my working at min. wage (and paying daycare...so im making like NOTHING really) add that 20% and im still WAY in the hole while he, with EOW has 80% of an income.
i dont know.
no matter what,
it's not fair.
i still can only dream of that montly 2300 a month.
im good with $$ and if i ditch this house i MIGHT be able to almost make it...
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