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Am I being fair here?
      #207503 - 05/25/08 04:28 AM (67.32.60.14)
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Well, went on second lunch "date" with my former high school friend. It was pretty much like the first. We talked alot, she about her past and me about mine, etc.

I tried to be completely honest and open without babbling on and on about my stbx and crap. It's obvious that she's farther along the road than I am...where I had difficulty at some points pinning down how I felt about a particular issue, she knew immediately, etc.

Overall, it was a good time.

Then I got home. ALL I could think about were the dates that the stbx and I had when WE first met....some of them were simply us meeting up and going for a walk, talking and just enjoying being around each other. I guess I still feel like our marriage was a little too "fairy-tale perfect"....two kids new at college meeting each other by chance, becoming friends who just enjoy each other's company, then realizing we had actual feelings for each other at practically the same moment....the first kiss that we both later admitted told us both "we were meant to be together forever"...etc.

I feel like all this shit is unfair to my HS friend. She's SUCH a sweet girl, and its obvious she tries to make me feel as though she is there for me, but when I get home, all I can think about is the past and how things SHOULD HAVE been. I'm trying very, VERY hard to see how things CAN BE instead of how things were, but at the same time, I dont want to lead this girl on or deceive her in any way.

I guess I'm just worried about hurting her feelings, maybe too much so? I've told her I try to keep myself busy because when my mind starts to wander, it automatically goes into "I wonder what my stbx is doing right now" mode or I start thinking about our past, crap like that. She says she understands and that she knows it takes a long time for that to go away.

I guess the relationship I had with the stbx kind of WAS a fairy-tale beginning....and I just miss that feeling so much of being able to look back and see how special we were together. I just want to be able to stop looking BACKWARDS and start looking forward again.

I really dont picture myself in any kind of serious relationship with my friend from high school, and I guess I should probably make that clear...but I really DO enjoy her being around. We talk about the distant past (before I met the stbx) when the two of us knew each other, etc. I just think I'm too active of a person for her honestly. I'm into hurling myself and my Kona mountain bike off the side of hills at 35mph, competitive handgun shooting, TaeKwonDo, etc. She's much more calm and sedate...into reading and such.

My idea of a perfect day is a crisp fall day in the woods carrying my favorite shotgun or rifle, looking at the leaves turning colors, watching the diversity of mother nature played out infront of me...the beauty of a sculpted piece of claro walnut and steel in my hands, watching the first rays of the sun scatter on the water and the ground.

Her idea of a perfect day is a cold winter morning curled up in her favorite chair under a soft blanket with a cup of hot tea and a good book.

I like Copenhagen, she likes the Clinique counter at Dillards.

I'm just kind of at a loss...it is obvious to me that I like being around her....after being very much lonely for the better part of a YEAR now. Hell, I honestly think I'd like being around pretty much anyone though. I truthfully HAVE been pretty much alone since my stbx left....and I'm just tired of feeling lonely and rejected....

I just dont want to do the same thing to this person...leave her feeling lonely and rejected in the end if things don't turn out the way she has them planned...and yeah, we all formulate plans in our minds, little scenarios of how we hope things will happen that we play in our heads. I'm just very cautious about hurting people after what I've done to my stbx. I made a promise to myself that I would never do anything like that again to anyone...and certainly do not want to hurt someone as caring as my old friend.

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Re: Am I being fair here? [Re: picasso]
      #207507 - 05/25/08 07:14 AM (75.163.17.247)
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I'd tell her the truth: You are clearly not ready to date! As for having different interests, don't think that can't be a good thing. While you are out in the wilderness, she is content at home. So, while you do your thing, she does hers...it makes for good independent time apart.

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Re: Am I being fair here? [Re: picasso]
      #207604 - 05/25/08 04:01 PM (98.214.145.38)
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wow your story is exactly like mine with my date. She's into cars, i'm into computers, she likes movies, i like dinners. both of us gush our thoughts 100%. She's been alone longer than I have, and had more dates where most of them have been absolutely terrible. She likes the time she spends with me, I like the time I spend with her.

I do tend to think about my fairy tale relationship that I had with my ex. It sucks that right now that fairy tale is lost. It sucks that she's starting her new fairy tale with a new man.

I keep having doubts that I'm not ready to date, yet I can't live like a hermit either. After all, how are we supposed to improve ourselves if we don't try? How can we get more out of life if we don't step outside and put ourselves at risk? I started dating again because I took the advice "dont be affraid of getting hurt". I figured if I don't risk the pain, I may never find the pleasure.

I don't think i'll marry this girl that I'm seeing. Yet I don't want to run away from new things. I am affraid of hurting her, or breaking her heart, as well as getting my own broken. I know I can handle a broken heart, after all I've been through it before.

OH well. Honesty is the best thing. I figured if we are both honest at saying that we 'like' each other but don't 'love' each other, at least we are honest and not misleading.


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Re: Am I being fair here? [Re: Kingssman]
      #207652 - 05/25/08 07:20 PM (74.233.198.228)
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""how are we supposed to improve ourselves if we don't try?""
What does dating have to do with improving ourselves???

Sorry but I think there is much more to improving ourselves other than how we do on a date. If we have worked on ourselves to the point where we are happy with ouselves then we will have confidence and a date becomes very simple.

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Re: Am I being fair here? [Re: picasso]
      #207670 - 05/25/08 08:53 PM (72.147.78.68)
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Picasso - I like some copenhagen too. I had to promise to give it up at the direction of my STBX. I'm throwin a fat one right now.

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Re: Am I being fair here? [Re: picasso]
      #207681 - 05/25/08 10:19 PM (68.110.66.68)
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The "it's just a date" thing wont' work with you... I think.

At least you recognize that you idealize the relationship with your ex, though for some reason you don't realize how this is NOT an ideal... meeting, getting to know each other... discovering at the SAME MOMENT that you are attracted to each other is simply not magic. It's just the experience of being 20 years old (or 21, or whatever).

Ideal can have many different forms, and eventually the version of ideal that you need will arrive. However, it probably won't be with someone who is totally sedentary if you're a risk taker active guy. Well, that's no ttotally true... it's a matter of whether you can manage to merge your compatible interests.. If you need separate weekend time to pirsue the separate interests but you can come together after that, then great... soooo... you need to ask her out to a mountain bike ride, or maybe just a hike, some weekend, and see how it works out. Is she game for it or so terrified that she'll never be comfortable with it? Is she able to understand the draw it has on you so she can sit home comfortably doing needlepoint so that when you get home there's a really cute pillow waiting for you? Or is the issue really that you question her fitness level, is she fat and do you consider that some measure of laziness but are trying to be polite about it? If it's just the different activities, well, having activities in common is very often not a very good predictor of a successful long term relationship. It helps, but it's not the end... the ultimate issue is whether or not you are able to make your hobbies mesh with each other.

It sounds like you're not crazy about this girl... or else you'd not be so worried about her hobbies not meshing with hers... so I get the feeling that you're just worried that continuing to talk to her is giving her a wrong impression that it'll be long term romance. The way to solve this is to TELL HER. Tell her that it's too soon for you, that you're not interested in her for long term, but your'e really happy if she wants to spend some time helping you get over your ex... it's using her, yes, but if she understnads and agrees, then maybe she's also using you... you know? Practice dating on each other. Enjoy your time together, and don't spend your time thinking that it shoudl be the long term future.

REmember that you don't have to be able to envision a long time together just to have a date... coffee is JUST coffee... NOT a commitment to meet the folks and start picking china patterns. As perfect as you feel it was with yoru ex, you don't have to compare that to this, because this is nowhere near that yet... you are NOT looking at carats yet, you know? It's JUSt drinks, dinner, companionship. And if you warn her that you're not interested in more... if you let her know that you're not ready... well, if she continues with it, then it's on her... you have no responsibility for making it right ofr her, you've been honest about it and she is totally responsible for her own feelings about it.

It's HIGHLY likely that she has stuff to work out on her own. I had such stuff for a whole DECADE after my own divorce, so that every one I dated in that time was not right for me even if I DID feel like they might be. It took a LONG time for me to resolve my issues (which included losing 80 lbs of post-divorce weight)... and be ready to move on. You are not repsonsible for it if that's what she is oging through. All you are responsible for is being h onest. so be honest with her and if she is still willing to spend time with ehr, then go for it.

But stop comparing her to Ms. Perfect X. You might find it's a whole lot nicer to WORK your way into loving someone, to NOT have some magical romantic romeo-juliet moment of perfect conversion into knowing that you lvoe each otehr... .maybe in yoru ADULTHOOD, perfect love will involve something less magic and more concrete.. .more real... more stable. You MIGHT find that it's more satisfying to learn about someone fully and STILL find them someone you can and will stay with forever... someone who is trustworthy to do that with you. You MIGHT find as an adult that the magical version of love you ahd in your undergraduate years of perfect fantasy are just taht... fantasy... and that the REAL version awaiting you is MUCH more satisfying ... like if you'd eaten the dessert first and THEN found out how GREAT the steak & veggies were!

I hope when you get to the steak & veggies, that you find they're created for you by teh world's greatest chef, who knows just how much spice, garlic, butter, and other flavors to add to the mix... I HOPE that you can understnad that this is more long lasting and in the long run a better thing than the pretty cake with the great floral fondant that you had for your FIRST marriage.

(I mean REALLY, have you ever TASTED fondant? In MY Second wedding, we ditched the fondant, as pretty as it is, and had them frost the cake with ganache, which is MUCH tastier... and for me, that symbolizes the second love perfectly... tastier... more substance than form... more real... the thing I WANT instead of the thing I dreamed of and mistakenly THOUGHT I wanted... Once you've tried the chocolate ganache, you'll NEVER go back to the fondant.... but if your'e still dreaming of the pretty flowers that are possible with the fondant... all it means is that you're not ready yet. Someday, someone will come up with the tasty frosting and you'll take a little bite... and you'll wonder WHY didn't you do that before. if you're not ready yet, no worries... you'll be ready for it soon enough."

Don't push it. You'll get there. Don't worry about her if you've told her the truth... told how you REALLY feel... she's responsbilt for her own feelings. She's an adult. It's JUST a casual dating relationship and if she puts anything more into it, that's HER issue.

Of course, this all assumes your'e not sleeping with the gilr... when SEX rears it's ugly (fun) head... you've GOT to know that people's emotions are involved.. .and you DO have a responsibility to make certain that they're not being misled.

BUT... if you're not misleading the girl... if your'e not having sex iwth her... if you're being open... then who cares... have a friendhsip with her even if she hopes it goes further.... go as far as you're comortable and know that you've been truthful with her and all is fair.


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Re: Am I being fair here? [Re: picasso]
      #207693 - 05/25/08 11:31 PM (71.55.151.32)
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Pic- no you are not being fair.

Until you come to terms with the "fairy tale" illusion - ... you are not ready to date.

If you did have a fairy tale -- it would not have ended. You had a NORMAL marriage and relationship. Good times, bad times, shiny spots and mud pits. You were young and joyful and naive. That is what creates a fairy tale ideal.

You need to accept that your marriage is over, and has been for a long time. That you had good times but it was NEVER perfect. That you created a myth, and you are trying to embrace it still.

As to different interests -- are you looking for a clone or someone interesting?

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      #208027 - 05/27/08 01:13 PM (122.168.42.70)
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Hello, I certainly agree with you. Thank you very much for sharing your information. It was really very helpful for me.
Thanks for sharing your dating tips!

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      #208082 - 05/27/08 04:45 PM (70.169.64.35)
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Thanks to everyone. I had a long talk with her a few days ago and explained what is going on. She said she understands, and still wants to "hang out".

I told her that I feel I must make it clear that I am NOT ready for any kind of relationship at all....she said she could see that the first time we went to lunch, but that she's interested in reconnecting with an old friend.

It was a good talk...and no, gigi, no sex..lol.

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Re: Dating [Re: picasso]
      #208103 - 05/27/08 06:03 PM (75.185.131.248)
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here's some (sad..LOL) perspective.

i am currently in the process of NOT being fair to someone.
and im PRETTY sure a different guy is NOT being fair to me.
LOL.
such is dating.
it's a risk.
and when you date you are aware of that.

ps. this is NOT wise adivise or anything,
just a little twist to consider.
i mean im all buy 100% sure im about to be played,
and while i dont MEAN to be, i guess my dating someone as a friend knowing he has a different perspective on me than i have on him means IM playing him.

That's just the way it goes until you find a mutual click and the timing is right for two people.

As long as you dont sleep around its all fair.
Once you bring sex into it. well, its a whole new ball game.

PS how long can i casually date one guy who likes me, AND maybe date one guy i like (who im pretty sure is playing me)
and NOT have sex?

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