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Re: Misandry is the message [Re: theanswerguy]
      #208529 - 05/29/08 12:22 AM (71.221.40.235)
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"Funny , gender feminists hate "the system" as well . BTW , NOW's stated goal for child custody is ALWAYS sole custody to the mother."

Along that same line of general thinking, men and women's groups have very different goals in custody. Men's group look for equality, as in shared parenting. Women's groups look for sole custody. A man that get's shared custody considers it a victory. Women's group's view it as a loss, as sole was the goal. Perhaps more men should go for sole custody, so they can start "losing" with shared custody.


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Re: Misandry is the message [Re: EZmark]
      #208570 - 05/29/08 08:21 AM (63.127.202.141)
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[quote]I'm not saying that women in management is bad, actually I think it is good, but you think you are so smart GG? The commercials are targeting YOU. You are just eyeballs and a wallet, a demographic. The content is being tweaked anti-male to please you. Are you being entertained? Are you buying the products? [/quote]

I don't ever think I said I was smart. Initiating dialogue and being smart are two different things. Can't a person have a discussion without being "smart" in the smart-ass way?

And, I rarely watch TV. I spend within my means. I would rather read a good book than watch the junk on TV.


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Re: Misandry is the message [Re: theanswerguy]
      #208577 - 05/29/08 08:54 AM (24.8.144.220)
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[quote]BTW, NOW's stated goal for child custody is ALWAYS sole custody to the mother.[/quote]

Do you have a citation? What the hell are they thinking?


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Re: Misandry is the message [Re: theanswerguy]
      #208578 - 05/29/08 09:00 AM (63.127.202.141)
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[quote] Ever seen one about a divorced custodial father ? [/quote]
I will agree that most shows about a Dad raising kids are either widowers, or custodial visits, but here are a few that you might remember that have single/divorced dads actually raising their kids and dealing with life issues.

The courtship of Eddie's father
Family Affair
Two and a half men
Veronica Mars
Gossip Girl
I'll fly away
The power puff girls
Angel
The Tracey Ullman show
Baywatch
Love Boat (captain has little girl Vicki)
Alvin & the chipmunks (shows a male in the head of household position with 3 "kids" and how they cope)


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Re: Misandry is the message: thanks for the laugh [Re: germangirl631]
      #208595 - 05/29/08 10:00 AM (64.178.162.154)
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Wow you're right! I learned most of my coping skills from the Chipmunks! What a cultural shame the Chipmunks, and especially Baywatch have been off the air for thirty years or so. And Baywatch being about a single dad coping, did you mean copulating? TFTL I needed that.

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Re: Misandry is the message [Re: gigi]
      #208608 - 05/29/08 10:47 AM (32.97.110.142)
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I agree that Stoltz has drunk the koolaid of a lot of blogs
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I have? Please elaborate. I definitely want to hear this answer. BTW, I'm still waiting for an answer to a question I posed to you on a separate thread in this forum, too. You like to make a lot of (false) allegations about me, but when the rubber meets the road, you are nowhere to be found to back up your claims. Have I visited pro-Men's Rights blogs? Certainly. But to paint such a broad stroke by alluding that my ideology is built in whole on the blogs is asinine.

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I don't agree that the extremist talk littered with net-speak like VAWA and SCROTUM... (sic)
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SCROTUM? I certainly hope the [sic] reference is to your invalid acronym. If not, please tell me where I used it before. SCOTUS (which IS the official acronym for the Supreme Court of the United States) - yes. SCROTUM - no.

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What I worry about is a backlash when the pendulum swing sends it back in the pro-men position... to me, the goal would be to stop the pendulum from swinging quite so wildly and to let the way things go settle into a neutral position from which extreme situations will be properly recognized and dealt with, rather than either ignored or treated with extreme measures.
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My God, my God. We actually agree on something after all.


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Re: Misandry is the message [Re: chatter box]
      #208664 - 05/29/08 02:49 PM (32.97.110.142)
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Stoltz sounds like Jim Jones preaching that those had to be brought into inlightenment-socialism. Then talked everyone into drinking poison.
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On the contrary, I'm just giving PEOPLE (men and women) another perspective of seeing things. It is up to them to take the information and do what they want from it. If anyone, you should point your venomous accusations towards the government and corporations.

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Fact is most men are not abused and are happy.
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I agree. It's called a false sense of security. Men ARE (in a general sense) happy until as such time as something happens to them, like living what they think is a happy marriage only to have their wife cheat, then divorce them, then take half their assets and ALL of their children, and hope to God they don't accuse you of sexual molestation, etc., along the way.

Of course, yours didn't turn out that way, therefore, that side doesn't really exist.


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Re: Misandry is the message [Re: stoltz]
      #208673 - 05/29/08 03:26 PM (66.180.116.13)
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Stoltz sounds like Jim Jones preaching that those had to be brought into inlightenment-socialism. Then talked everyone into drinking poison.
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On the contrary, I'm just giving PEOPLE (men and women) another perspective of seeing things. It is up to them to take the information and do what they want from it. If anyone, you should point your venomous accusations towards the government and corporations.


Jim told all his fallower the same thing. It was up to them to decide.
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Fact is most men are not abused and are happy.
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I agree. It's called a false sense of security. Men ARE (in a general sense) happy until as such time as something happens to them
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Kinda like all those pro foot ball players. They just think there are happy playing football for a living. Trueth is after they retire they will spend a life of pain and suffering from enjories. What's life without risk?


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Re: Misandry is the message [Re: chatter box]
      #208683 - 05/29/08 03:47 PM (32.97.110.142)
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Kinda like all those pro foot ball players. They just think there are happy playing football for a living. Trueth [sic] is after they retire they will spend a life of pain and suffering from enjories [sic]. What's life without risk?
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Sorry, I cannot concur with this anaology at all. With pro football players, they KNOW there is a risk that they could end up with a lifetime of injuries or even something worse, like paralysis. The difference is that many men may know they can be "injured" WRT divorce, but haven't a clue as to the extent of the "damages" they can endure with a justice system that already gives their opposition an unfair advantage. Heck, leave marriage and divorce out of it altogether ... As evidenced by many court cases, all it can take is a woman calling the police and ACCUSE a man of something heinous to ruin his life, irrespective of the validity of her accusations.

I read one case a while back where a woman and man were in a car and had a disagreement. They pulled off the side of the road and continued the verbal argument. A passerby witnessed the incident and called 911. Due to anti-male legislation passed, the officer who arrived at the scene HAD to arrest one of the two. Of course, it was the man. The man's life was never the same afterward, and even the woman admitted the whole thing was blown way out of proportion. The man was put on probation and now if ANYONE calls the police and accuses him of almost anything, he will be arrested on the spot and sent to jail.


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Re: Misandry is the message [Re: stoltz]
      #208686 - 05/29/08 04:07 PM (68.110.66.68)
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I've told you before that I agree with most of your message but I disagree strongly with your methods. I don't have to have the extremist website urls to know where you get a lot of this talk from, just from your language. It's good, though, to see that you do know the meaning of properly written text "(sic)". Now, I've tried before to explain the problem of using acronyms that are not in common usage on a particular website. ... oh, for example, everything I see someone using the acronym "bf", my first thought is that they're talking about a black female, because that's the context in which I most often see that particular acronym.

Most websites have thier own acronyms... and the supreme court has SCOTUS... but that's mostly confined to the people who are on the supreme court, or blogging about it. That is not an acronym of common usage here on this website or on most of the UN-extremist lawyer websites (though I have no doubt that some lawyers who prefer to be politicians and seek publicity through extremist rhetoric might use that term.)

Most lawyers/paralegals will talk about it in terms of the supreme court... the US supreme ct... or in very casual moments, I've heard it referred to as "the supremes" (which often also refers to the collective persons who sit on that bench as well as the origin of hte opinions that come off of it). And legal writing will NEVER use the acronym that you are so fond of.

And VAWA and VAWA II... also not acronyms of common usage. More commonly used in blogs and extremist websites and editorials than in general publications.

You know what "sic" is... so you SHOULD know that whenever you use an acronym that is NOT of common usage in a particular purpose, that you need to not just spout it all over, but rather you need to completely name the item, and THEN the acronym that you intend to use.

The exception is if you're in a place, such as here, where certain acronyms ARE in common usage, such as stbx, xMIL, bf & the like. To assume that people here are going to hear you talk about the supreme court decisions with terms like SCOTUS and understnad that you're talking about an effen SC DECISION, for god's sake, well... it makes you sound like you've spent way too much time reading editorials and blogs. You'd fare no better by coming on here and talking about femi-nazis. Though the "femi-nazi" reference would clearly be traceable to an identifiable source because it's got one clear and infamous origin.

As much as I also believe that feminists have become extreme in a scary, I will not be caught using the word "femi-nazi" except in VERY limited circumstances (alone with my hsuband, maybe) because it diminishes the credibility of my opinion to use that term as if it's a real commonly used term.

As I have said several times, I often agree with your message, but your style of communication is simply not credible as an unbiased presentation.

I worry that your methods are a turnoff to the people on the fence or who are not already informed on these matters.

I've answered your questions about this over & over again & then you come back and ask again. The reason I don't continue to respond usually is that ... well, at some point, it's not worth my time. You seem to be unable to handle even the limited criticism of your methods as I have given. Frankly, that's probably part of the problem. Extremists rarely allow for gray areas, rarely admit that maybe they could improve one or two things about their methods, are rarely willing to tweak their presentations. This is why they'll never win, (sometimes unfortunately), because they simply can't take SIMPLE comments like mine which are MERE suggestions to edit your commentary on these issues so that they might be more widely understood and accepted.

A good persuasive writer is usually willing to take an edit or two. I've tried go suggest a few to you, and you repeatedly, almost rudely, defend your presentation rather than simply consider the suggested edits.

The tendency to attack all critique (including simple little critiques on a few language issues) is another clear method used by extremists & bloggers.


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