Tranquility
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Ok, my boss and I are pretty good friends and extremely attracted to each other. We joke around at work a lot and even go to lunch or have a drink sometimes. We are not at all compatible for a long-term relationship (I thought he was 15 years older, but found out it's closer to 20), but today we discussed a "FWB" type relationship. I have had this type of relationship in the past(ex-husband and I had a somewhat open marriage for about 5 years). The thing is, I'm really into my career and kids right now and don't necessarily have time for a real relationship. Relationships between managers and workers are pretty common in our field, so it wouldn't really be a problem if anyone found out, other than a little elbowing which we get anyway. I've only been separated since January and divorce was final about a month ago. The marriage has been over for years. I'm just getting tired of the lonely nights and trust him to be discreet and not get too involved. Is this a good idea? Has anyone else had this type of arrangement and how did it work out?
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theanswerguy
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The question to ask is how your work relationship could be affected if the intimate relationship doesn't work out .
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Tranquility
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Don't really think it would be a problem. Neither of us are involved with anyone else, we both understand that a "real" relationship is not feasable (his kids are almost my age), and we've even discussed that things would have to end if either of us started developing feelings or decided to pursue a relationship with someone else. Worst case scenario is that one of us would have to transfer to another site 3 miles away and I have no problem with that if it became a problem.
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Armor
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Remember the old saying- Never mix business with pleasure...
Dating a co-worker, especially a boss, is a virtual minefield. Others at work will likely think you are getting special favors from him at work, and if the relationship doesn't work out, there will almost certainly be conflict there. It's easy to say neither of you want anything serious and you can back out if it gets too serious, but that's when it is most difficult to leave a relationship, and one or both of you are likely to develop feelings for the other one...
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Sarah1014
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I agree 100% with Armour.
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Jada
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What happened to those relationships between manager and employee when the relationship ends?
Sleeping with your boss can cost you your job. IMO, not worth the risk.
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taryn
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you are taking a pretty big risk. in a number of ways a bigger risk than he is.
first, like you said he's considerably older than you, so he's getting the better end of the bargain in that area. (even if he's hot...the fact remains)
second, he's the boss and this Will come into play at some point. in spite of what you currently think now, the odds of this affecting your job in some way when it ends are above 50%.
third. if he's suggesting such a thing with you how do you know he doesnt have these little liasons all over work, that would be a bit gross.
forth. you didnt say if he was married or not (if so...walk...no run)
fifth...while he SAYS it would be fine if one of you walked what he REALLY means is it would be fine if HE ended the FWB relationship. it WILL be an issue if YOU end it once it starts.
now you have to figure out a way to end it before it begins. with out it affecting your job already (you really did take a risk here!). Tell him you decided you cant be a FWB with him because you are too worried you might develop feelings for him. That while there are some people you CAN be an fwb with because you KNOW you wont become emotionally attached, you think you will with him! this will feed his ego while letting you walk away, HOPEFULLY with out any negative consequences.
it does, however, sound as if you have already kind of choosen to pursue this FWB thing with him. If at all possible try to avoid this!
let us know how this all plays out. what you decided and how he reacts and all.
good luck.
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Tranquility
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What happened to those relationships between manager and employee when the relationship ends?
I've seen one where the manager was transferred, another where they just continued to work together and everyone pretended nothing had happened and a couple where they ended up married. I'm sure there have been a few I didn't know about that ended badly. But, these were all actual relationships. Definitely not what we have in mind. This abstinence thing just isn't working for me and I don't want to go into a string of one night stands. We're close enough friends that I trust him, but we know there's too much in the way of a relationship.
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if he's suggesting such a thing with you how do you know he doesnt have these little liasons all over work, that would be a bit gross.
forth. you didnt say if he was married or not (if so...walk...no run)
I don't think he does-there are only a few women where we work. And no, he's not married or attached in any way. I think you are right, though.
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[. I think you are right, though.
yeah. but it still sukks though! what are you going to do?
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Tranquility
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Still not real sure about what to do. He'll probably call to hang out tomorrow since we're both off. Really I guess I'm more worried about hurting our friendship than about the work thing.
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OUCH!!!! Mixing business with pleasure is never a good ideal. Or is it?
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Most companies have rules (for good reason) against intimacy with subordinates. Your boss could loose his job. You could loose your coworkers' respect. If you care about your career, rules or no rules, you don't want to go there.
If you really want to proceed, get yourself transferred to a different part of the organizational chart first.
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Never find your honey where you make your money.
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MarMcMar
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I can tell by your tone that you're going to do what you want anyway, but I would "Run Forest, run!" from this cluster-f.
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Tranquility
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Just wish I knew for sure what I want. I have been trying to psyche myself out on the age thing.
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gigi
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Here's the thing. He's a whole different generation from you. I'm guessing he's closer to my age. Men of my age group do not take sex as lightly as I gather men of your age group do. And FWB may sound fun to them in a real mid-life crisis kind of way, the same way that they always look a little more interested whenever a woman suggests she may be bisexual and he starts imagining the possibilities of having a 3-way... for MY generation, they really are considered nasty types if they do more than just imagine & joke about it!
Not that he would necessarily fall in love with you... more likely quite the opposite, he'd start to disrespect you TREMENDOUSLY.
Now, I worked in an industry where a significant portion of the support staff believed that they were entitled to pursue relationships with the professional staff and if they could make it work then they'd snagged themselves a great guy. The ones who were doing it believed EVERYONE was doing it, and the ones who were not were always appalled about it. THe ones who WERE usually could point to friends who had done it and not bothered their careers... but I was on the professional staff side of this and watching lots of my men friends treating various assistants like thier own personal little dating service... and I can tell you that careers were ruined.
There was never one of these that started where they thought it would progress fartehr than FWB (at least on the guy's side) but about half of them would end up with something wrong happening. I watched one friend stalk his former clerk. Another lost his job because several of his former lovers (FWBs if you want to say that) found out about each other & got angry. I saw clerks & assistants shifted from assignment to assignment as thier career paths fizzled because no one wanted them in their devision because they had that kind of reputation that would cause everyone to nudge each other & wink if the boss was even a tiny bit of a possible fwb for her.
Yet several clerks... their whole purpose fo rentering jobs in our office was the possibility of finding a great guy with a great job to hook up with and they truly believed like you did... that it did not matter.
From the perspective yuo're looking at, nothing bad can happen, and if it does, you can always sue. But why set yourself up for it? Why set him up for it?
Once sex enters into the picture, I don't care how casually you take it... people's emotions change.
At the very least, you'll know intimate things about each other that employers & employees should not know about each other. His next girlfriend after you might just be THE one... the one he flips for and wants to marry, and guess where you'll be THEN... certainly not anyplace where there is a danger that his new sweet wife-to-be might EVER have a private talk with you where she would find out any intimate details... not that you'd betray the trust, but he'd be a fool to trust anyone with the private information around the woman he loves.
This is about as ill-advised as one of those kids who tapes themselves doing the deed and then tosses it onto a computer & maybe thier myspace just for fun. I guess it's a generational thing, but I would NEVER have considered that any more than I'd consider a fling with a boss.
I can tell you that from my perspective... probably about 20 years further along in life than you... the people who have succeeded in life are NOT the ones who took sex that casually... and I am from a generation where free sex was truly a possibility because we had just been given access to reliable birth control and the worst STD you could get was herpes. Married people were doing Key parties and our brothers & sisters were moving to communes where free love was not associated with a very strict and cloistered religion. We were not so uptight as it might sound... but we didn't have access to the internet for use in ruining our reputations for life... and we didn't have situations like the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings to look at as possible problems to our careers if we made an off color remark. We were naive and free and we truly did not have any reason to believe that anything we did would follow us forever...
So some people DID do exactly what you're planning. THey DID participate in wife swapping, they did try to sleep thier way up the corporate ladder. They looked for Mr. Goodbar or had casual sex with friends & strangers without any feelings of moral guilt or outrage.
NOW, 20 -30 years later... if they did it back then, they are embarassed about it and don't really want anyone talking about it... Or they are not particularly successful in the long range with careers or relationships.
But do what you want. You seem headed towards it anywyas. Youve thought through all the excuses for why it's right and OK to do... just like the kids who put embarassing stuff about themselves on YouTube... go for it. I just hope you don't find yourself embarassed, demoted, transferred, uncomfortable at work, etc., etc., etc.
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Tranquility
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Now, I worked in an industry where a significant portion of the support staff believed that they were entitled to pursue relationships with the professional staff and if they could make it work then they'd snagged themselves a great guy. From the perspective yuo're looking at, nothing bad can happen, and if it does, you can always sue. But why set yourself up for it? Why set him up for it?
I just hope you don't find yourself embarassed, demoted, transferred, uncomfortable at work, etc., etc., etc.
Wow, not sure where all that came from- First, he's a sales manager and I'm a sales rep-although he has the authority, I make more money-Definitely not trying to "snag" myself a great man-we're both professionals and if I wanted that I'd pursue a real relationship with one of the men who would like just that from me. I simply am not interested in a real relationship at this time. Next, I have been in this male-dominated industry for about 12 years and have never even considered suing or otherwise messing up someone's career-you have to expect a certain level of aggressiveness in a competitive industry with large male egos-ie. banter with the boys or get shut out and black listed. Finally, the things you mentioned are very unlikely to happen. As I said, this is a fairly commonplace situation in my industry and I have no interest in posting any videos on myspace. Although I do have a fairly casual view of sex, I have been fairly successful in my life. I'm not sure how you are tying success and sexuality together. I appreciate your opinion, but I think we have an entirely different belief system.
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Books29
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Tranquility, I'm in sales too. I also do pretty well. I don't try to fit in with the whole male dominated ego thing. It's just not worth it to me. I'm telling you from one professional to another just as these other people are that I would not do it if I were you. You WILL lose respect. If you want to have a non-serious sexual escapade, do it with somebody outside your company. Your belief system may be different, and that's totally ok. but it could put your job, and the respect people have for you in jeopardy. He is YOUR BOSS and he could make or break you in your job depending if it goes well or not and from what I am hearing, this isn't going to go well. So find somebody else not related to your job to have fun with. That's just my two cents though but I just would not do it if I were you.
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Tranquility
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Thanks, Books, for the advice without judgement. I think with him, it's more a trust thing-as in maybe I'm trusting him a little more than I should. I've been ignoring his calls all day and am beginning to think maybe I should find what I'm looking for somewhere else and keep this more of a friendly flirtation/ego booster for both of us.
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Armor
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Even if workplace romances are common where you work, you'd still be wise to check and make sure of your companies exact policy reguarding it, to cover your own butt just in case.
I've seen plenty of workplace romances over the years, and I can honsetly say I can't think of a single one that worked out, but I can think of plenty that got pretty ugly for one or both people involved. Reguardless of your companies policy or attitude concerning this, in this era of sexual harrasment witch-hunts and lawsuits, even the mere appearance of something inappropriate can get you in hot water pretty quickly. All it takes is one disgruntled coworker to go crying to upper management saying "so-and-so got a raise or promotion or got to do this or didn't have to do that, ect, ect...because so-and-so is sleeping with whats-his-name...." Next thing you know, you're both in trouble, even if it isn't true. I've seen it happen plenty of times, it isn't pretty.
On the issue of a casual attitude about sex...I don't think that there is necessarily anything wrong with that attitude, it's yours to have and nobody has the right to condemn you for it, as long as you don't allow it to hurt other people. By that I mean you are honest and upfront about it with your partner before you become involved physically. I think that problems arise because of the fact that it's hard to find two people who truely are totally casual about sex. Inevitably, one of them is going to develop feelings over time (even if they say they won't and claim to be casual about it too), and when the other person doesn't respond in kind, somebody gets hurt emotionally. Throw in the fact that we are talking about a co-worker, and it can get pretty complicated and nasty pretty quickly.
If a casual physical relationship is all you are seeking right now, there are plenty of other places to find willing partners besides the workplace. I'd recommend doing yourself a favor in the long run and avoid dipping your pen in the company ink
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gigi
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Look, I don't think you understood my analogy. I wasn't suggesting that you were going to post photos on myspace or anything. I'm saying that the forethought that has to go into a dating relationship with a co-worker needs to be as significant as the forethought that SHOULD go into posting explicit materials on the internet... think it through to 10 years from now when you are wanting the guys in your male-oriented industry to take you seriously... think it through to when your boss' boss gets wind of it.... think it through till when your boss either starts taking the relationshp more seriously than intended, or LESS... or when he falls in love with a different girl he's not even met yet and SHE decides that there's something that she can't quite put her finger on between the two of you and she's not comfortable with it.
You & he are different generations and he's bound to think of things in a slightly different light than you are.
PLUS, like it or not, sex changes things... no matter what generation you're in. And this is not a change that's good for a work relationship. Usually. Those of us who have seen work related romances between co-workers, bosses & employees, etc., will pretty much universally agree that in a larger organization (not a mom & pop shop), it's best if the peopel are on equal footing, not reporting to each other, in different divisions or assignments... different floors or buildings or branches if possible... And of course keeping the information about the relationship away from the workplace is a given or else everyone else will be talking about it and having certain expectations no matter WHAT your own agreements abou tthe relationship might be.
If you want a FWB relationship, do it with someone who does not ever have to review a report, give an employee evaluation, decide on whetehr you should get a raise or promotion, hand out key assignments or better territories. I worked in a workplace where friendships were very common. We had lunches, dinners, birthday parties, happy hours. We got together on weekends, at each other's houses, had baby showers at the office and spouses were often welcome at our office parties. Heck, we had one mandatory party every year where spouses were expected (those who protested against the mandatory party called it the "prom"). We liked each other and developed our pool of close friendships mostly within the office or among out competitors' staffs as well. One big, happy family.
But EVERY time co-workers had an affair (and that's what it is called if others find out about it... FWB does not remain so sweetly honestly above board and dispassionate when the rest of the office talks about it)... it never ended well. It was a good thing if it ended without embarassment to both. The few who ever married were very rare, and HAD to be on equal footing within the office or one or the other would have to find a way to transfer/quit/wahtever.
Handle your love life however you choose OUTSIDE of the office. But INSIDE the office, be VERY careful.
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I did it, I regret it and I have to face the pain each day. DO NOT DO IT!!!
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Tranquility
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Thank you everyone for your input. We went to dinner last night (not like a date, just to get something to eat cause we worked late) and talked about that we probably ought to keep it just friends. He's called a few times today, but I've ignored his calls. Guess I like my job a little too much to risk it and the age thing kinda throws me a little. I think if I really want a "FWB" I'll find one somewhere not related to work.
Gigi, If I sounded defensive, I apologize.
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Armor
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A wise choice...
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taryn
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GOOD choice. i have wondered what you decided.
i hope he doesnt get ticked, but better now than latter!
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MarMcMar
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Just a warning, Tranqu. He's going to find you just that much more irresistable, now that you've put him off. Now comes the full court press.
Men love the chase and excitement of the unattainable. If you think he's given up - think again. And it will be so flattering. You're a conquest for him. I would not be surprised if he makes a game out of it and has done this with many other women.
I once had a married music friend court me in this way. It was shortly after my divorce. He showered me with gifts, called, came over and gave me a message (not sexual) and slowly hunted me. I was very attracted. He was cool, discreet, generous and sensual.
At the end of the day, I didn't want to be another notch on his bedpost. I wanted better things for myself and knew I'd be shutting them off if I played around with him.
I told him to buzz off in no uncertain terms. He tried a few times to light my fire, but I wouldn't budge.
No regrets here.
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Yup full court press is now on . I don’t like the old goats moving in on the our turf but what you going to do LOL
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Tranquility
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Thanks guys. Hopefully, he'll see that it's not such a great idea for either of us. He did ask why I didn't call him back all weekend (said he was bored and wanted to hang out)-told him I was busy w/ the kids(true). Maybe I should start calling him all the time so he thinks I'm obsessive and he'll blow me off. Just kidding-he's still a great friend.
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julestn
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Hello, this was the right thing that you have done. I don’t think that you were wrong. All the best!
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