EZmark
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I disagree. I am just too busy trying to survive and pay the X to dedcate much time to the cause of justice for fathers. Many if not most divorced women getting supported don't work or are under employed. Many other burned fathers I know are just beaten into giving up and living with injustice.
Passive resistance only works in against the backdrop of civil resistance accompanied by press coverage and with an empathetic population. Influencing politicians is a waste of time unless you are a major lobbyist. The empathetic population is growing as the US prison population swells above 2.5 million, the worlds largest per capita, and the divorce rate continues to spiral to the word's top five, and spousal homicides increase in number, all costing the taxpayers peace of mind and $. Unfortunately the press coverage and media portrayls of father rights is ridicule, so that has to change before passive resistance works. That will change if media conglomerates are faced with litigation for biased coverag, however frivolous. Medai hates legal exposure and brand image tarnishing, it's all they really have. Note most stories have no subjectthat can actually cause them a problem in court, that is looked at before a story is decided upon. It's just not worth the risk with so many other stories o run. Medai avoids anything involving ACLU, NOW, NAACP. Men and especially Fathers need an organization that can institute these cases easliy with case law and motions on file and ready. Any media conglomerate that takes up a bais in their programming and is hit with that will become the story for their competition. The sharks will feed on each other, especially during slow news periods.
I beleive the real way to effect the media, and thereby the public support, is through the adverisers. If you think media is sensitive to bad press and brand tarnishing, an advertisers million dollar budget will go running for safety and ROI at the first sign of trouble. While women may be the overwhelmingly largest demographic for soaps, sitcoms and other genres, men also make up the demo for sports and some shows. While women spend on the product advertised, me still can control at least 50% of most household budgets and most major corporations. We may not be able to boycott tampax, but there are other Proctor and Gamble products that could be boycotted and trashed on placards at sports events etc. The bad facts about their products could be pointed out in viral videos and blogs. Cyberwarfare. These companies, to avoid losing millions and damaging their brand among would contact their ad agencies who would stop buying time during those male offensive shows, and perhaps even indicat suppor for father friendly prgramming. These are the same people that support the politicians and drive their agenda.
We need media watchdogs, judicial watchdogs, political watchdogs. We need tech experitise and legal experts. We need to take many small efforts and aggregate it into an organization that can creat facts and data that can be easily accessed and re-used. I agree we need an umbrella, there are a few that may become the one.
I agree the goal should not be extreme, equal parenting if wanted, equal support obligations, alimony only in extraordinary circumstances, equity assessed as in any other civil contractual court.
The effort has begun. From mother's parental right of sole custody to shared parenting initiatives the court are beginning to change. It will not continue if NOW is allowed to manipulate the playing field. Today it is not popular to call the deadbeat alienating mother just what she is, but calling a father that gets cheers. The cheering crowd is getting smaller as more of them become victims. Every victim should do whatever they can with the orgaizations out there today. I see changes coming.
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gigi
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I think you could call it something that would honor the fact that most fathers actually want to do the right and fair thing by thier kids... calling it something like the "fair parenting association". I like a "father's rights" named organization also, because it puts the focus where it needs to be. You're right, "national Organization for Men" would be laughed out of existence. But "separated Parenting Association" (SPA... ok, that's a weird acronym for a bunch of men... but you see my point, look for something with a catchy acronym)... would be quite popular and would properly name the organization as one that cares about NOT try to polarize itself and embrace the extremists.
I think it needs to address court referendums, removing individual judges who show bias against men/fathers, initiating legislation that will equalize things, as well as re-framing the problem of domestic violence against men as something thats's NOT a joke... and watching media depections of men and fathers particularly as clueless buffoons who can't be trusted with kids or households or social events... It's a serious problem!
An organization dedicated to furthering the cause of proper parenting eo encourage fathers' active participation really should be embraced by all these people who whine about absentee and deadbeat Dads, and if they failed to embrace the organization, then thier bias would be clear, wouldn't it?
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stoltz
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The problem, though (again), is the mindset of our society (which is what you alluded to). IOW, our culture has been brainwashed ad nauseum with shows, movies, false/half-truth articles, etc., that show men as not only bumbling fools but also as rapist, beer-drinking, good-for-nothing else (except a walking ATM machine) neandrethals.
The sad part is that many MEN buy into this themselves!
Again, it goes back to the three (well, two CIVIL) courses of action men can take. As I said before corporations are driven by money and if men can make an effort in that area, then the corporations will begin to take notice. But I don't really see that happening anytime soon.
I really think the passive action route will have greater affect than people will realize simply because it will do the same thing only "behind the scenes" instead of up front. Like many articles have said, men are just distancing themselves more and more from marriage, simply because it does nothing to benefit them today. Sexless marriages our on the rise, so any thought of "getting more" in a marriage is out the door. Divorce rates are still hovering around the 50% mark, and we all know how badly men get the shaft when it comes to that, so why challenge the odds?
Yes, there are other things that can be disassociated from marriage like DV, but that can be dealt with in parrallel with the passive stance WRT marriage men are taking.
Its funny, but your first two words were "I disagree" yet the gist of your response made me feel you are agreeing a lot more than disagreeing.
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EZmark
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I only disagree that passivity works in todays America.
http://www.acfc.org
looks like a good organization, stands for helping Fathers AND CHILDREN.
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stoltz
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Actually, the passive route IS working in that it is giving exposure to the bigger problem: marriage has absolutely no benefits for men. Yeah, it's in its infancy, so-to-speak, but as more and more studies surface and more media conglomerates pick up the banter, people will begin to slowly shift their mindset. The powers of the internet are also giving rise to the whole cause as more and more men realize that marriage not only has -0- benefits to them, but in many instances has the opposite affect.
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jbar
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=========================================================== ..."national Organization for Men" would be laughed out of existence. But "separated Parenting Association" (SPA... ok, that's a weird acronym for a bunch of men... but you see my point, look for something with a catchy acronym)... would be quite popular and would properly name the organization as one that cares about NOT try to polarize itself and embrace the extremists. =========================================================
FYI the National Organization for Men is alive and well, hardly having been "laughed out of existence":
http://www.orgformen.org/4436.html
This group could not have a more distinguished group of officers and some of their best writing can be seen here free of charge. These people have some influence on the public, through their work and notoriety, and the site has telephone numbers listed to contact them. If this name is good enough for Warren Farrell, it is good enough for me.
Can't comment more about it as I just discovered their web site after having heard something about it some time ago. Further investigate it for yourselves as I will be doing.
UPDATE 0048 CT: A good site, but still not exactly what we are looking for as an ACTIVIST alternative to NOW. Issuing press communiques, giving interviews and writing articles and books is all good, but it is still not aggressive enough. Even in the "guest comments" of this site there are posters pining for the establishment of a coordinated and focused men's rights organization, which can really wield some power, the way that NOW does!
Edited by jbar (06/12/08 02:00 AM)
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