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Re: Reasonable behavior - need opinions! [Re: lairdude]
      #215783 - 06/29/08 09:08 AM (68.40.174.9)
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I preach what you said to my kids all the time. My son called me the other day and told me one of the kids he played basketball with was texting him and wanted to meet him to fight. My son is a good boy and very popular, star jock and all that crap. Anyway I told him this other kid just wanted a shot at the title now that they are out of school for the summer. I asked him what would be gained from throwin' a beatin' on this kid. His answer was "nothing" aand he didn't want to fight him. He was just getting tired of the texts calling him a p*ssy. He decided not to answer the texts anymore and they stopped. Rational thought process for a young man and I am proud of him.

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Re: Reasonable behavior - need opinions! [Re: lairdude]
      #215820 - 06/29/08 01:05 PM (71.164.134.155)
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I can't argue with thinking about your kids before you act. I commend you for it. I try to do the same. I think that a parent should always look to conduct themselves in a manner that sets a good example for their children. I don't think kids buy the, "Do as I say, not as I do." stuff. A large part of how they model their behavior is a result of what they see us do.

I don't think we're as far apart in our opinions as I originally believed either though, Lair. You agree that sometimes violence is the only answer, but we disagree that this is one situation where it should be employed. I don't condone violence as a first response except when there's the physical safety of people involved to be considered. Talking should always be the first step towards conflict resolution. Sometimes you just need to escalate it, though .

You know, I heard that line growing up. "A real man walks away from a fight". I didn't really believe it then, and I don't really believe it now. Oddly enough, my father never preached it to me. He told me, "Don't you ever start a fight, but you defend yourself if you feel you need to". I think one should measure each situation and respond appropriately. In rare cases, that response needs to be a physical one. I've probably been in a handful of fights my whole life, and I don't think I've even been in a physical confrontation since high school. Then again, I haven't had to deal with the situation I described, either. I don't visit the bar scene.

I think the last time I got in a fight it was a bench clearing brawl my senior year by my high school football team and the opposing side. Damned ref wasn't calling me being held for three plays straight so I shoved the guy down that was doing it and told him to "Knock that shit off!". Dumb, I know. He shoved me back. I shoved him again and then a whole mess of people appeared out of nowhere, punching and shoving.

Anyway, fast forward several years from now and say I'm married and driving home with my wife and son after being bailed out of jail. My son asks me what I did that was so horrible that the cops put me in jail. If I had to tell him, "A man tried to assault my wife and wouldn't listen when I told him to stop ... so I made him stop", I wouldn't consider that a bad lesson. I want my kids to have the passion and courage to stand up for themselves and fight for those they love and what they believe in.

<< Hey now, don't dis my boy Isaac. You wanna step outside? >>

Haha! No sir, in this situation, talking out the different sides of the argument is much more appealing!


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Re: Reasonable behavior - need opinions! [Re: Ryno77]
      #215866 - 06/29/08 07:15 PM (69.248.228.238)
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Bad example for the kids????? How would the kids know? Of course you don't act like that when there are kids around. Where did it say kids were present?

Sombody crosses a line you show them where it is.

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Re: Reasonable behavior - need opinions! [Re: cedc]
      #215912 - 06/29/08 11:16 PM (99.142.33.73)
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First, the kids might find out when he has to explain why he may miss some time with them because he got arrested. Second, you lead by example. You should always act as if someone is looking, even if no one is.

What sort of action movie did you get your creed from?


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Re: Reasonable behavior - need opinions! [Re: mrpat]
      #215914 - 06/29/08 11:18 PM (99.142.33.73)
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Good for your son. He proved both his intelligence and his maturity.

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Re: Reasonable behavior - need opinions! [Re: Ryno77]
      #215919 - 06/29/08 11:29 PM (99.142.33.73)
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I will let the slight on Mr. Asimov lay as that is what he is doing now. However, he lives on on my bookshelf and someday soon my 9 year old will join me in reading his works.

Back to the topic at hand...

I don't know that a real man either walks away from or walks into a fight, but a real smart move is to know how to end it without the fight ever happening.

I haven't been in many fights myself, but one stands out in my mind over all these years. It was winter in Chicago and there was a huge mound of snow in the play yard of my junior high school. I was a normally easygoing kid but that day something snapped in me and when a 7th grader hit me a little harder than I thought was necessary to get me off the hill, I was in 8th, I took exception to it and wanted to kill him. We rolled around punching each other until the fight was broken up and we were sent inside for punishment. As we walked down the hall together we were talking and joking as if nothing had happened just moments prior. We became friends and even sat at the same table as we wrote out our punishment paragraphs.

I don't know what that story says, but it was my last fight until one drunk night in college, and he had it coming.


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Re: Reasonable behavior - need opinions! [Re: lairdude]
      #216000 - 06/30/08 10:38 AM (65.81.100.202)
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9 pages later and this poor dead horse hasn't been flogged enough?

Mostly what I read in these pages is one school thinks its ok to defend someone the other school thinks its better to walk away. Neither is right and neither is wrong. We have certain things ingrained into our DNA and some seem to be further along the evolutionary ladder than myself and others, doesn't make them better and me worse it is just what it is. The simple reason for this becoming a 9 page post is that neither side will agree the other is right. (Waves the white flag) I surrender and admit I will change my neanderthal ways and stop with all the nuckle dragging (they were getting scuffed up anyway), there we all better now?

Now back to your corners and don't come out fighting.

(Actually I have rather enjoyed this dicussion)

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Re: Reasonable behavior - need opinions! [Re: lairdude]
      #216016 - 06/30/08 10:59 AM (70.91.44.33)
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I didn't get my creed from any action movie. If you have read my posts I clearly stated SOME situations warrant it and 99% of the time things are let go. The last time I was in a situation like this was close to two decades ago. I am hardly a "Blade" (<--- Better?) in my opinion.

When warranted it's go time,thats all.

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Re: Reasonable behavior - need opinions! [Re: Ryno77]
      #217017 - 07/04/08 01:54 PM (122.168.23.5)
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Well….I think if you wait for some more time… you can get a lot better suggestions that this…I am out of any ideas for this!!!!

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