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Abuse to my advantage?
      #215237 - 06/26/08 05:06 PM (208.71.141.186)
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My children and I have been victims of domestic violence abuse in every way by my husband for 4 yrs. I found my husband with another woman and due to that I became furious naturally in that moment slapped my husband and missed. He put me in jail anyway not to mention in front of my children and I am 4 mnths pregnant. I now am a batterer in the eyes of the law even under the circumstance. Can he use this against me to take my children even if he has couple charges he's been convicted for towards me? Please help.

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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: sophie_1008]
      #215314 - 06/26/08 09:41 PM (69.115.64.195)
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[quote]My children and I have been victims of domestic violence abuse in every way by my husband for 4 yrs. I found my husband with another woman and due to that I became furious naturally in that moment slapped my husband and missed. He put me in jail anyway not to mention in front of my children and I am 4 mnths pregnant. I now am a batterer in the eyes of the law even under the circumstance. Can he use this against me to take my children even if he has couple charges he's been convicted for towards me? Please help. [/quote]

Is he the father of the children? If not, he has no legal standing.

Given that he has been convicted for doing the same thing you did, he doesn't exactly have clean hands.

I suggest you contact a lawyer and start attending anger management classes. Do you really want your kids to learn to handle their anger with violence? Because between you and your husband, that is what they are learning.


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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: Jada]
      #215618 - 06/28/08 02:08 AM (68.108.57.232)
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[quote]I suggest you contact a lawyer and start attending anger management classes. Do you really want your kids to learn to handle their anger with violence? Because between you and your husband, that is what they are learning. [/quote]

[quote]Personally, I think a psychiatric hospital would be the perfect fit for you, but that's me. [/quote]



Well Jada, it would seem that all the flaming I received by the likes of you officially has no credibility. You seem quite happy to chime in and mind other peoples business (like mine) but it appears that you yourself have some issues.

Anger management? Sounds familiar. Psychiatric hospital? Perhaps we can attend the same self help programs. Except I'm not a batterer.

"Oh, my poor wife, how does she take it?" Puhlease. Your utter and shameless hypocrisy has been exposed. At least I never struck her. No matter the reason. Unlike you, whose display of temper might cost you your family.

I have no pity for you.

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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: tiredofnagging]
      #215626 - 06/28/08 07:48 AM (69.115.64.195)
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[quote][quote]I suggest you contact a lawyer and start attending anger management classes. Do you really want your kids to learn to handle their anger with violence? Because between you and your husband, that is what they are learning. [/quote]

[quote]Personally, I think a psychiatric hospital would be the perfect fit for you, but that's me. [/quote]



Well Jada, it would seem that all the flaming I received by the likes of you officially has no credibility. You seem quite happy to chime in and mind other peoples business (like mine) but it appears that you yourself have some issues.

Anger management? Sounds familiar. Psychiatric hospital? Perhaps we can attend the same self help programs. Except I'm not a batterer.

"Oh, my poor wife, how does she take it?" Puhlease. Your utter and shameless hypocrisy has been exposed. At least I never struck her. No matter the reason. Unlike you, whose display of temper might cost you your family.

I have no pity for you. [/quote]

Uh, I wasn't the original poster. The person that I quoted was. She is the one who hit her husband.

In my marriage, it was my ex who flew off the handle.

BTW, the likes of you have no credibility whatsoever. You don't even have reading comprehension. If you did, you would know that it was the original poster who flew off the handle and hit her husband.

I never said you struck your wife. But that doesn't mean that you aren't abusing her. Verbal/emotional/psychological abuse is what you are doing. Just going by your posts here.

And if you don't want people commenting on your business, then stop posting it on a public message board.


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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: Jada]
      #215675 - 06/28/08 02:57 PM (68.108.57.232)
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Uh, yes you did. Or maybe it was malone. Can't really tell the difference.

What goes around comes around.

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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: tiredofnagging]
      #215691 - 06/28/08 04:39 PM (69.115.64.195)
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[quote]Uh, yes you did. Or maybe it was malone. Can't really tell the difference.

What goes around comes around. [/quote]

I didn't say you struck your wife. I did say you were abusive, though. And I stand by that.

What goes around comes around? You are the one who said that I hit my ex based on a post where someone else admitted to hitting her husband.

All you have shown is that you lack reading comprehension.

I never hit my ex.


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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: Jada]
      #215738 - 06/28/08 09:04 PM (68.108.57.232)
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[quote] And if you don't want people commenting on your business, then stop posting it on a public message board. [/quote]


Your words.


[quote] All you have shown is that you lack reading comprehension. I never hit my ex [/quote]

Sounds like you just missed. Still enough to get cuffed. A model citizen. You should have nothing to say.

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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: tiredofnagging]
      #215770 - 06/29/08 06:09 AM (122.57.190.165)
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[quote]Uh, yes you did. Or maybe it was malone. Can't really tell the difference.

What goes around comes around. [/quote]


What goes around comes around? It sure does. The only person who talked of striking his wife, was YOU. You can't re-write history, Nagger.

I never said it, you did. I just happened to be the person who pointed out your words to everyone on the forum. And I'll do it again.

[quote]Constructive advise is not only appreciated but necessary. Otherwise I feel like pounding some sense into her.[/quote]

Yes, that was you. And guess what? There are lots of forms of abuse. Physical is only one. Verbal and emotional are just two of the others. A good example of them are this:

[quote].......so if I want to be a single Dad I've got to prove that my wife is unfit. That may be a task except she's threatened to leave "both of us" recently. Maybe the thing to do is get things like that on tape. [/quote]


[quote]You come across as yet another bitter ex-wife who wonders why your marriage didn't work. Look in the dictionary under b!tch. Then look in the mirror. Same answer, yes?[/quote]


I'm sure you'll remember theses quotes better than anybody. You said all of them and they're only a few of the many unpleasant things you've said on this forum. And they're there for everyone to see on the posts you made. So don't start complaining that people are saying things about you when you were the one who said them. You have yourself to blame.

One last thing, stop coming on here just to give all the women here your sick insults. You might despise women. But it just so happens that most of us here, men and women alike, are friends. When you come on here and insult people like Abby, Tarryn, Jada, Julia and more, you insult our friends.

So take your foul words and find some other place for them until you can come back on here and be civil.

Better still, why not make some long overdue apologies. You could start right here with Jada.


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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: tiredofnagging]
      #216888 - 07/03/08 02:51 PM (24.94.123.111)
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[quote] All you have shown is that you lack reading comprehension. I never hit my ex [/quote]

Sounds like you just missed. Still enough to get cuffed. A model citizen. You should have nothing to say. [/quote]

Are you really that tendentious against a woman who points out your mistakes?
Re-read the WHOLE post, if you haven't done so already...cause you are WAYYYY off base and are slinging accusations that have no basis because of your own inability to read and comprehend a post.
Is this how you deal with your own wife? Twist words and slew accusations?

To the original poster - we got off base due to some unnecessary mud slinging that needed to be addressed, but in response to your post: You are justifying trying to hit your spouse because of specific actions and anger, there is no justification. You could just as easily have walked away. As far as him getting custody of the kids, if you have one conviction and he has more...then common sense would say that although both of you need counseling and some parenting classes that more than likely you'll be more likely than him to get custody.


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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: malone]
      #218364 - 07/10/08 09:37 PM (69.92.63.244)
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First of all to TIRED OF NAGGING you should be tired of being an idiot because of all your idiotic responses whom you were nagging to was the wrong person. I am the one that you should have said it to. But anyway everyone is right you have no reading comprehension. First off I never once asked for pity or even said that what i did was right. I am aware that what i did was such a waste of my time because all i did was stoop down to my [censored] husbands level and his tramps. So next time you decide to give advice make sure it is advice not criticism because this is Divorce SUPPORT not Divorce Criticise!

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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: Jada]
      #218365 - 07/10/08 09:46 PM (69.92.63.244)
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For you Jada I didn't get to hit my husband for one. You obviously dont have reading comprehension either. I mentioned that I missed. What was i supposed to feel like walking in with my 2 children and pregnant finding my husband in bed with a tramp! I shouldnt have missed maybe it would have been worth being put in jail getting cuffed in front of my children and then getting treated like crap in jail pregnant or not they dont give you any special treatment. Hope you never go through what i went through. Easy to say and criticise unless you lived it!

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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: sophie_1008]
      #218367 - 07/10/08 10:00 PM (69.115.64.195)
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[quote]For you Jada I didn't get to hit my husband for one. You obviously dont have reading comprehension either. I mentioned that I missed. What was i supposed to feel like walking in with my 2 children and pregnant finding my husband in bed with a tramp! I shouldnt have missed maybe it would have been worth being put in jail getting cuffed in front of my children and then getting treated like crap in jail pregnant or not they dont give you any special treatment. Hope you never go through what i went through. Easy to say and criticise unless you lived it! [/quote]

So, I didn't get the missed part. What you did was still wrong. And taught the kids that violence is the way to deal with a problem.

Lived it? I can say that I never even tried to hit my ex. He was the one who was physically abusive.

What was you supposed to feel like? Probably hurt and angry. What were you supposed to do? Leave and file for divorce would have been a more appropriate way of handling the situation that wouldn't have taught your kids violence.

BTW, your hands are still just as dirty as his are.


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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: Jada]
      #218613 - 07/12/08 02:10 AM (68.108.57.232)
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Some things never change. Miss know it all jada has all the answers. But my break from all this was pleasant/

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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: tiredofnagging]
      #218778 - 07/13/08 10:24 AM (24.94.123.111)
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[quote]Some things never change. But my break from all this was pleasant/ [/quote]

I think your right, you will never change. It was pleasant for us as well...too bad it didn't change anything on your part. I feel bad for your wife if you twist words so much with a bunch of strangers, I'm sure you twist all the past you have with her as well.


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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: mistake#2]
      #218810 - 07/13/08 02:55 PM (68.108.57.232)
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[quote] BTW, your hands are still just as dirty as his are. [quote/]


I guess I did misread the post. I am sorry for the mistake but that's where it ends. Actually did sound like jada wrote it. Oh well, whatever.

Still doesn't make some of you the judge and jury, bunch of advice nazis.

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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: mistake#2]
      #218822 - 07/13/08 04:04 PM (75.185.135.104)
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the funny thing is that tiredofnagging rags on the 'bad advice' from the women whom he insults so regularly.
BUT he continues to respond and comment on the very posts he loathes.
like he's LOOKING for the posts just so he can make some mean and (...since he has reading comprehension issues) irrelevant comment.

i guess it's not funny.
he's such a bully.
so it's typical and predictable.

im sure ill get a nice array of insults and comments from him based on this post.

but...YIPPEE for the option to NOT read it! :)

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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: taryn]
      #218929 - 07/14/08 03:50 AM (68.108.57.232)
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[quote]the funny thing is that tiredofnagging rags on the 'bad advice' from the women whom he insults so regularly.
BUT he continues to respond and comment on the very posts he loathes.
like he's LOOKING for the posts just so he can make some mean and (...since he has reading comprehension issues) irrelevant comment.

i guess it's not funny.
he's such a bully.
so it's typical and predictable.

im sure ill get a nice array of insults and comments from him based on this post.

but...YIPPEE for the option to NOT read it! :) [/quote]


So don't read it. Simple. But you will cause you cant help it. Children. Sorry, no insults.

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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: tiredofnagging]
      #218936 - 07/14/08 07:02 AM (219.89.52.173)
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You can't tell me that deep down you don't know you are the one with big ISSUES.

I feel good knowing that each of us women who pick you up on your nagging ways is helping to make you a better you, and hopefully making you a better husband to your wife too.
I just know that one day you'll come back on here and thank each and every one of us.

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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: Jada]
      #219060 - 07/14/08 02:39 PM (208.71.141.186)
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All I have to say to you AGAIN I NEVER! said that i was right. But obviously you are ignorant to still have reading comprehension as well. You didnt pay attention to the topic at All. All you saw was the hit my husband wich I didnt and FYI I was abused for 4 years pregnant and in front of my children by this [censored] so dont make it seem like you are the only beaten wife. I cant file for divorce because i am trying to move back to my home state wich i dont live in so next time ask for more info before you go rambling and judging.

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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: sophie_1008]
      #219166 - 07/14/08 06:07 PM (69.115.64.195)
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[quote]All I have to say to you AGAIN I NEVER! said that i was right. But obviously you are ignorant to still have reading comprehension as well. You didnt pay attention to the topic at All. All you saw was the hit my husband wich I didnt and FYI I was abused for 4 years pregnant and in front of my children by this [censored] so dont make it seem like you are the only beaten wife. I cant file for divorce because i am trying to move back to my home state wich i dont live in so next time ask for more info before you go rambling and judging. [/quote]

Yes, I did pay attention to your topic. It's kind of hard to have abuse to your advantage when you tried to hit your ex. And would have if you had not missed.

Your hands aren't clean in this whole case.

And the fact that you want to move is going to make your bid for custody even more difficult.

What is probably going to happen is that both of you are ordered into anger management and parenting classes.


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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: malone]
      #219184 - 07/14/08 07:04 PM (68.108.57.232)
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[quote]You can't tell me that deep down you don't know you are the one with big ISSUES.

I feel good knowing that each of us women who pick you up on your nagging ways is helping to make you a better you, and hopefully making you a better husband to your wife too.
I just know that one day you'll come back on here and thank each and every one of us.

:-) [/quote]




In order: I can, you are all clueless, and when pigs fly.
Figure it out. And dial it down a notch with Sophie. You can't call her a bad husband.

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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: Jada]
      #219416 - 07/15/08 02:42 PM (208.71.141.186)
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What i meant by the abuse to my advantage was my husbands abuse not mine. Mine should not even be considered abuse because i didnt hit my husband and if i did it wasnt just because. I obviously was furious to have found him with some [censored] wich you probably understand because you as I can see don't see my point of view at all. You must have something in common with this homewrecking tramp I caught my husband with. And why in the HELL would I want to stick around a peice of crap state that is not even my home where i have no friends and family to support me for me to raise my children. Oh yeah that's real great influence and example for my children for them to continue to live in a home around there adulterer father and his [censored]. About the anger management that crap dont even work my husband is goin on two years of anger management treatment and he still kicked my ass! in front of my children and pregnant.

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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: tiredofnagging]
      #219417 - 07/15/08 02:46 PM (208.71.141.186)
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your such a jerk!

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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: sophie_1008]
      #219418 - 07/15/08 02:46 PM (24.94.123.111)
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It's obvious a volatile relationship and household...either way the kids are the ones that are losing. Your not seeing past your own anger to do whats right. As far as anger management goes...if someone isn't choosing to go on their own, understand that they have a problem and want to change it then it's not going to work, for either of you.
Don't misunderstand this next statement either as I realize that everyone has their own breaking point, but I do wonder why it takes someone to be cheated on before they leave an abusive situation. Your not alone in that respect...I think a lot of people really hope that the other person does want to change and forgives them when they say they are sorry and believes that it won't happen again. Cheating kind of brings all that to the surface and you realize that they are a liar and your not giving up on someone that is worthy of your forgiveness.

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      #219424 - 07/15/08 03:20 PM (205.231.130.2)
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I don't want to be associated with any of this.

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Re: I just joined this forum... this is my last visit. [Re: 4Melody]
      #219425 - 07/15/08 03:25 PM (24.94.123.111)
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[quote]I don't want to be associated with any of this. [/quote]

What are you referring to?


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Re: I just joined this forum... this is my last visit. [Re: mistake#2]
      #219433 - 07/15/08 03:52 PM (168.133.60.130)
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I think she was referring to all of this name calling and childlike behavior going on on this Forum. I assume she came for some support (as I did) and all she read was a bunch of mean, name-calling, back and forth children! What a waste it all is.

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Re: I just joined this forum... this is my last visit. [Re: twins1]
      #219473 - 07/15/08 06:46 PM (24.94.123.111)
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[quote]I think she was referring to all of this name calling and childlike behavior going on on this Forum. I assume she came for some support (as I did) and all she read was a bunch of mean, name-calling, back and forth children! What a waste it all is. [/quote]

Well one or two posters don't make up this entire forum, and when your on a public board your likely to get a few that don't necessarily have the same opinion as the majority. Take it with a grain of salt.


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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: sophie_1008]
      #219476 - 07/15/08 06:48 PM (69.115.64.195)
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You said:

What i meant by the abuse to my advantage was my husbands abuse not mine.

My response:

Both counts

You said:

Mine should not even be considered abuse because i didnt hit my husband

My response:

An attempt is still against the law. And you can end up with a criminal record because of an attempt.

You said:

and if i did it wasnt just because. I obviously was furious to have found him with some [censored] wich you probably understand because you as I can see don't see my point of view at all.

My response:

I do see your point of view. I don't agree with it.

Tell me, would you accept your excuse from one of your kids who just hit the other?

I tell my kids that there is no justification for hitting another person and that the only time they are to do so is in self-defense and then, only enough to get away.

You are trying to justify what you did. While what you did isn't as bad as what your stbx did, it's still abuse. And there is no justification for it.

You said:

You must have something in common with this homewrecking tramp I caught my husband with.

My response:

Something in common with someone who slept with a married man? No, married men are off limits. And have always been.

You said:

And why in the HELL would I want to stick around a peice of crap state that is not even my home where i have no friends and family to support me for me to raise my children.

My response:

The answer is simple:

To keep custody of your kids. Just because you want to move doesn't mean that a court will let the kids move.

You said:

Oh yeah that's real great influence and example for my children for them to continue to live in a home around there adulterer father and his [censored].

My response:

You do realize that if the kids are allowed to move with you, you will have to send them back for long periods of time with their father, don't you? Typically, the parenting plan for long distance parents gives the ncp (which could end up being you) most of the summer and school breaks. That is something you may want to consider.

You said:

About the anger management that crap dont even work my husband is goin on two years of anger management treatment and he still kicked my ass! in front of my children and pregnant.

My response:

I agree, anger management classes aren't going to work if the ones taking it aren't taking it seriously. But a court can still order it.

Edited to add:

I can understand the fear and pain that you must have gone through when he was beating you. My ex wasn't that bad, his thing was throwing things and twisting my arm.

When it comes to custody, it isn't going to matter that he was abusive to you, even in front of the kids. My ex's abuse was enough to get no overnight visits until he completed an anger management course, which took him almost a year to do. It wasn't enough for sole custody. Even with what he did to my youngest it was not enough. And my hands were clean.

You have an uphill battle and if you think the reaction here was bad (it wasn't, the reaction is realistic. You muddied your case with your attempted assault), just what do you think is going to happen in court with his attorney questioning you?

I know one of the questions that I would be asking is this:

If you are so scared of being beaten by your husband, why did you attempt to hit him? Weren't you afraid that he would beat you if you did? What about the kids? Weren't you afraid that they would get caught in the crossfire if he did beat you?

You need a good attorney.


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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: sophie_1008]
      #219707 - 07/16/08 05:59 PM (68.108.57.232)
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[quote]your such a jerk! [/quote]


Sophie, i'm really trying to defend your position and I'm sorry I misread your original post. These people are judging you, that's what they do, that's all they do. You seem to be more angry than they think I am. From what I hear, you have serious problems with an abuser and no real outs and I'm sure that must hurt. It would hurt me.

Sh!t, I just saw Jada has done her infamous play by play. Now I know you're toast. This creature needs a life.

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Re: Abuse to my advantage? [Re: tiredofnagging]
      #219867 - 07/17/08 01:20 PM (32.97.110.142)
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I just saw Jada has done her infamous play by play. Now I know you're toast. This creature needs a life.
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She probably has you on ignore, anyway. The "ignore" feature is used by many people to facilitate the need to mask the truth. Their beliefs are all that matter and if it doesn't coincide with what is (or should be) considered right/just, they institute their ability to hide reality by placing said messenger on "ignore". The message doesn't exist, therefore, their shell is protected.


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