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mistake#2
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e-mail from my sons step-mom...
      #215243 - 06/26/08 05:21 PM (24.94.123.111)
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Mistake,
I thought I should let you know what happened last night as N was going to bed. Apparently he is not over the whole "J(my ex)" issue. Today he is going to W (his friend who lives a couple of houses down from my ex). Last night before bed he was saying how he can't wait to see W and he likes going over there but that it makes him mad. So I asked why does it make him mad, and he went on and on about J (my ex) :how he has a new girlfriend with kids and how he'd like to go over there and yell at J (my ex) because he isn't as weak as J thinks he is and warn the girlfriend and such. He said if it wasn't for J (my ex) being a "Bad father" (his way of saying abusive to the kids) that you would never have left him and that then you guys would still be up here and he could be with his friends and such. I tried to tell him that I'm sure there was more things going on about why you left him then just that he was a bad father that N wouldn't understand right now because he's a kid, but he insisted that was it and that you even thought of going back to him. Then I tried to get him to see the "positive things" of his life like a great new step Dad that he says he loves and that does things with him, 2 new siblings, a nice house, being able to go to Bush Gardens and Disney World, a whole new bunch of friends, etc. that he wouldn't have. Anyway he understood all that but still was "angry" about J.
Anyway, I just thought I'd prewarn you about it all. He says he won't go over there and I am hoping he won't.
My husband and I thought though that he was over this whole thing and that is why he doesn't attend counseling anymore?
Anyway, he comes home around 3pm or so from there because I am supposed to pick him up on my way home from work.
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I already knew about my sons anger towards my ex...and haven't expected him to just get over the abuse that was inflicted upon our family.
I don't think she has any right to discuss that there may be other reasons why my ex and I got divorced, as honestly if my ex hadn't been abusive to the kids and myself then we wouldn't be divorced yet I don't want to discuss that with my kids period. Sometimes I think she throws things out there to try to jab at me...underlying sneakiness, as she was having an affair with my husband (her husband was best friends with mine and my husband & her had baby 3 months before N was born while we still married) and wants to make me out to be just as bad as her.
She also wanted to put my son in a mental institution a few years ago when he was having hard time dealing with the abuse and divorce...
but anyhow I e-mailed back:
Yes, I'm aware of all of this as N and I have discussed his anger many times. I think it's normal and don't expect him to just "get over" it. He will stay away from J's house...it's not that he misses what he had, it's that he's angry about the way it was taken from him. Anyway, thanks for letting me know.

Did I handle that well enough? Am I overthinking her "discussion" with my son?

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Re: e-mail from my sons step-mom... [Re: mistake#2]
      #215344 - 06/26/08 11:33 PM (71.209.16.112)
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Hi Mistake -

First off, I think your response to her was just fine. You might share with her that it was the abuse that caused you to divorce him. Although you are right in one sense that it is none of her business, she seems to have a vested interest in your child, which kind of does make it her business. Your son may be interpreting the divorce as his fault. ie, if he did not exist, then J would not have had to ba a father, then you and he might have been happy....That's not a stretch in the mind of a child.

As for her email, let me give you the perspective of a step-mom. She will never put things in the same way you would, or how you would like them put. She will say things to your kid you wish she wouldn't. She won't say things to your kid you wish she would. She's not you, and there is some baggage to your relationship with her, so there is no way she can communicate with your kid in a perfect way that will make you happy. You can of course, give her some pointers as to what you want to know and what you don't, but then that's probably more work than you might want ot invest in your relationship with this woman.

She is trying to let you know what is going on with your child. No matter how she chose to do this, you might still see shadows of insults - you can drive yourself crazy with that stuff. I would stop trying to look behind the message and take it at face value. And look at the flip side of this. If your child decided to go over to your ex's house and have a confrontation, you would be mad that you hadn't been given a heads up that this was coming.


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Re: e-mail from my sons step-mom... [Re: mistake#2]
      #215359 - 06/27/08 02:56 AM (66.169.163.142)
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You mention her "underlying sneakiness". I don't know the history here.....is there a pattern of it? Or is it just the affair and the deception related to the genesis of their relationship that has you suspecting?

It sounds to me like she's trying to be empathetic to your son, but doesn't always have the most tactful approach. There's an element of truth in golightly's response - about how that message gets delivered to you. I'd rather be getting the message, worded in a way that might rub me the wrong way for a bit, than to have it withheld and be in the dark.

Either way, I think you've handled yourself beautifully, acknowledging that you are aware of your child's emotional state in all of it. And as much as you dislike this woman and/or what she had to say, I'm not seeing a malicious intent on her part. A nosey one maybe when it comes to asking about the child's counseling, but I don't see outright malice.

I guess the true test here is what your son's response is.


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Re: e-mail from my sons step-mom... [Re: mistake#2]
      #215469 - 06/27/08 12:16 PM (68.110.66.68)
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Ditto on what golightly said. She did the best she could in the circumstances.

Now on the issue of talking to your son about why you divorced J.... I've got mixed feelings. Kids at his age need to knwo that nothing happens for one reason and only one reason. And you, yourself have told us that you're now in florida because you moved there intending to have your second husband move down there with you, and he did not and that was teh reason for the move... and it seems like he's almost more upset with the MOVE than he is with the divorce, because he likes his friends up there and woul dlike to still be with his friends. And from what you've said before, the MOVE was not after the divorce, but was expected to be part of a longer term marriage to husband number 2. So to me it seems that maybe you need to explain to the kid that you're not away from his friends because of any divorces, but because you were there as part of a marraige, and AFTER you were there, you found a new life. If the kid truly understood, then the stepmom would not be left to deal with his anger.

And she has to say SOMETHING. He's there and angry and ... well, you can't always be the only one to give him perspective on life. Maybe a few other opinions on perspective wouldn't hurt. Your own history with her notwithstanding... you have all kinds of reasons to be angry with her, but not for talking to your kid... for sleeping with your husband (which the kid should have no part of).

Frankly, though, you did good in your response ot her. I know lots of people would have been tempted to tell her to mind her own business and NOT deal with it (an impossibility given that she's with him for the moment and she needs to deal with it just like if he'd done this at school a teacher would have to deal with it... if he'd done it at summer camp a counselor would have to deal with it, etc., etc... and they'd have probably said the same things... that adult relaitonships are complicated and not always entirely about abuse, that there are often a combination of things going on, etc., etc.)

I also applaud you for not saying something really nasty about your own history with her, which I'd have had a REAL temptation to say... something like, "well, if you want to explain how adult relationships are complicated and there are reasons other than abuse for a woman wanting to leave a man, how about explaining the facts of life to him and explaining how sometimes a woman finds out that her husband has slept with someone she THOUGHt was her friend, and has a baby with him while the woman is still married ot him? My own choices for why I left J are none of your concern, so if you're going to try to give N a complete explanation of all the reasons why a woman might want to leave a man, how about explaining infidelity and betrayal as more emotionally hurtful than any bruise ever was!?"

Yeah, I might have snapped back something nasty, and then I'd have regretted it, because like I say, she was in a tough situation having to calm the kid down from her perspective with him complaining about things that took place when she was not around. You did good.

You might want to talk to N when he returns about how the decision to go to Florida had nothing to do with leaving any husbands, and maybe find ways for him to develop friendships there. My oldest stepson had a really tough time adjusting to the move when his parents moved here. He is shy and had lifelong friends in thier old community, and as soon as he was out of high school he left and got as close to that old community as he could by going to college in that general direction. It did not result in him re-connecting with any old friends (he underestimated how far away his college was from his old hometown, I think), but the fact of being a freshman with a bunch of other freshmen, 9/10 of whom feel a little out of place, I think helped him.

I know your son probably has some issues over his health situation? Having missed so much school? Maybe there's some way you could help him re-connect with his school buddies? Is it about time for him to switch from one school to another anyways, going into middle or high? Maybe that transition can help? I don't know how, but I do know that my husband tried everything to help his eldest through the problem time (his ex didn't much pay attention to the eldest, who is not too sports inclined)... and was never able to completely solve the problem for him. It helped a little to put him in a private high school when the time came, but he was still always a little detatched from his peers here.

And that seems to be the problem more than anything else, from the report his stepmother had. Blaming his Dad for the move because if his dad hadn't been so bad, you'd have never gotten to Florida. Even if you connect the two... If Dad wasn't so bad, you'd have never divorced him and re-married, never have moved with your new husband to florida, never have divorced the new husband and stayed in florida... EVEN if you hav ea long term view that WHAT IF your ex weren't abusive life would be rosy up in your northern old neighborhood... well... ditch the long term view for the sake of the kid and remind him that the move had nothing to do with his dad being abusive and everythign to do with you thinking there would be a better life down there for them.


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Re: e-mail from my sons step-mom... [Re: mistake#2]
      #215588 - 06/27/08 09:06 PM (71.164.59.47)
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Mistake,,, I'm so sorry for you. I understand you questioning her motive. I wouldn't trust her either. You handled it much better than I could have. Your a real lady. Ignore her, living with him, she will get what she deserves.

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