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Why is my happiness attached to someone else?
      #232526 - 09/21/08 05:30 PM (99.252.97.150)
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I know I no longer need a man to be happy. In fact I am enjoying my "me" time(when I get it) But now my happiness(or unhappiness as the case seems to be)is connected to my daughter's happiness. Things are cascading out of control and to me it seems that we are drifting further apart. She is angry and sad and anxious all the time. She skips cheerleading practice on a regular basis(this used to be her life). She has been skipping school again and everyday is a challenge. Plus I am doing all the packing for the move in 3 days on my own and she is becoming more withdrawn the closer we get to it because after finding a home in the neighborhood of her best friend where she has been going to school on the same bus since last year she has stopped talking to her "best friend"(her friend actually called the other night and asked her to stop coming to catch the bus from her house with only 5 days left till the move)and she now feels she will be as trapped in this new place as she did in our old one. At least she has a counselling session in a few days. I think she will need more than every 2 weeks but since I am paying out of pocket I don't know if I can afford more.

Am I the only one who finds it hard to find the happiness we deserve when our children are unable to find the happiness they deserve?

On the bright side I am getting better at being consistent with behavior and consequences, I just feel like she is getting more and more depressed and it feels like I am losing her and I can't do anything about it except keep loving her and hope for the best.

Christine

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Re: Why is my happiness attached to someone else? [Re: scbeck]
      #232527 - 09/21/08 05:36 PM (171.159.64.10)
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Wow. That's too bad. Obviously she has a lot going on in her life. I assume she doesn't want to talk with you about it? Maybe just write her a letter and let her know how you feel about her. How you worry about her, etc. I think it's great that she is willing to go to a counselor. I think it will help, even if it's every other week.

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Re: Why is my happiness attached to someone else? [Re: scbeck]
      #232528 - 09/21/08 05:52 PM (68.2.43.146)
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Christine...my heart breaks for you! I am sitting here watching my 7 yr old sleep and wondering if I am in for the same heartbreak in her teens. Know that this too shall pass. All loving mother's (parents)hurt when their children are hurting. You are a good mom. best friends always seem to end up hurting us don't they? I actually avoid having them now!

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Re: Why is my happiness attached to someone else? [Re: mfergel]
      #232531 - 09/21/08 07:02 PM (99.252.97.150)
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Ferg I did sit down and writer her a letter and after 3 weeks of her not reading it I just threw it away. I asked her several times to read it and she always said maybe later. The more time passed the more I felt that the feelings I was feeling now were different from what I had written then. She has told me again and again in the last several months that she doesn't like me anymore and she is only living here because of her friends. Now that things are not going well in that area I wonder how long it will be before she decidesto bail and go live with her father.

Make no mistake, I don't think she will tolerate it well if she does do that , but I am dreading her making that choice.

Julia I can honestly say I never in my wildest dreams expected these kind of changes in my daughter when I look back at our relationship at 7 years of age. She and I have always been close and until the last few years we were very much alike. Since puberty hit though she seems to have veered far off to the opposite extreme of the life I lived out. Instead of shy and caring and somewhat overweight and invisible like I was, she is a gorgeous blond haired cheerleader who is always in the most popular crowd and is opinionated and pushy with her friends. She has no tolerance for mistakes or slights against her and she can be cruel and unforgiving when she feels slighted.(Most of these traits mimic her father) It is very hard to watch her becoming someone who seems to have little regard for anyone but herself(although they tell me that is the defintiion of "teenager").

I guess I feel so helpless because I made so many of the decisions on where to live and go to school based on what seemed to be best for her by putting her in place where she at least had some good friends and now everything is a mess again and the kids where we are moving to are now the source of her stress instead of the kids in our old neighborhood like last year. I can't win!!!!

Christine

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Re: Why is my happiness attached to someone else? [Re: scbeck]
      #232533 - 09/21/08 07:12 PM (68.2.43.146)
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Christine,

I wish I had some words of advice for you. Since I became a mother at 41 I have nothing to offer you except my empathy. I certainly would be devastated if this were to happen to me and my daughter. Many have told me it is a teenagers right of passage. I love my daughter and have given up everything for her. My career...the love of my life...if she turns on me I may just leave and not look back. Seems to me many children feel the need to jump and go live with the other parent during their teens. Daughters however seem to need their mom's still after they grow up. Don't give up hope and keep telling her you love her and I will keep you both in my thoughts and prayers.

My daughter is the gorgeous blonde popular one at school. I see her heading in exactly the same direction. I only hope I do not screw her up too badly. Children do grow up in spite of you.

Julia


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Re: Why is my happiness attached to someone else? [Re: scbeck]
      #232534 - 09/21/08 07:46 PM (68.36.146.37)
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I have no advice for you. Just know my prayers and thoughts are with you. My girls will soon be 11yrs old. I am in fear of what you are going thru and of also having to deal with it alone. Mothers and daughters........

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Re: Why is my happiness attached to someone else? [Re: scbeck]
      #232537 - 09/21/08 08:16 PM (68.57.81.200)
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I'm sorry. Maybe it's time to let her make her own mistakes? Let her live with her father. Let her find out how rosy things are.

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Re: Why is my happiness attached to someone else? [Re: scbeck]
      #232540 - 09/21/08 09:14 PM (67.169.18.50)
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Scbeck,

Reading your post I immediately identified with what you are going through. My daughter was a very loving and caring child until she turned 13. I swear that aliens stole my sweet daughter on the eve of her 13th birthday, because we had nothing but one issue after another until she moved out at 18.

She didn't have a choice but to deal with us until she turned 18. I stopped counting the number of times she told me she hated me and couldn't wait to move out. She even threatened to run away. I told her that if she did, once she was found, I would let the courts know I was not able to control her and feared for her safety and relinguish my parental rights. She stared at me and shouted "You wouldn't dare." I told her to stop and think if she could recall anytime I didn't do exactly what I said I would do. Granted it usually was something she wanted me to do for her, but if I said I would do something, she knew she could take it to the bank. I honored my word.

Years later, when we finally reached a truce after she moved out, she told me that the one reason she never ran away was because she knew I meant what I had said. I told her I indeed had, that as much as it would pain me to have done it, I would have to insure that she was safe until she was of age of majority.

She was nasty, vicious cruel and mean. She lied and then would be so surprised when she got caught, which was most of the time.

We did get her into counseling, but after 6 months, our insurance company insisted that there would be family counseling sessions. That pissed her off. She yelled "How the f*ck can they tell me what to do and make me have sessions with you and Dad?" I calmly told her because they were paying for a major part of those sessions and had the right to require certain things be done, to help her. So she stopped going. You can't make a 16 year old go if they don't want to, and if we had, she would have just sat there.

Years later, she found out she is Bipolar. Great, if we had found that out, we would have had her on medication and maybe that would have helped, but we will never know.

What you need is Tough Love. If there is a group in your area, please go to a meeting. I went to several to get some ideas how to approach the issues.

You may not want to have her go live with her Dad, but it might be something you eventually need to do, if she contiues to spin out of control. If you end up doing that, please don't think of yourself as a failure as a Mom. You are not. You are dealing with a very difficult situation.

I know I felt I failed until my therapist asked me to explain how I felt I had. Well I viewed my success/failure on the actions of my daughter. She told me to stop right there. Had I provided a loving and caring environment for my daughter....Yes. She said "You have fed, clothed, housed, loved and even paid for horse back riding lessons, art lessons, music lesson. You clearly love her and because she spits hateful words at your, you failed?" I sat there and said "Oh....guess I was judging how well of a Mom I was by how she acted and reacted with me."

Oh and yes "This too shall pass" but in my case that would not happen until she was almost 20 years old. When she fianlly reached out and wanted to reconnect, I told her that would be nice. We sat down and had a 2 hour talk. She told me that she realized that she had been a total sh*t during her teen years. That she intentionally pushed all possible buttons to see what I would do. She said she was testing my always telling her "I love you and always will, but I don't always like the things you do" statement. She figured if she just kept laying on more crap I would finally tell her I didn't love her, but I never did. I just kept restating "I love you and my love can not be bought or earned, it is yours because you are my daughter and I want the very best for you." She told me she finally "got it" and was really sorry for the hell she put me and her Dad through.

I was totally floored. I don't know what I thought she was going to say at that meeting, but I didn't see that coming.

I so hope things work out for you and your daughter. It sure hurts like hell when you can't get through to them.

Hugs,
Nish


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Re: Why is my happiness attached to someone else? [Re: Nish]
      #232543 - 09/21/08 09:46 PM (74.94.132.66)
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"It's amazing how much my father learned in the four years I went to college." Mark Twain

Nish - very good points.

Christine,
You're splitting with her father and moving. Teenagers are difficult even in the best of times. She won't like changes unless they're on her terms.

When a newborn cries the sound reaches through your chest and grasps your spine and screams "Do something!" It's what we are that makes us react to another's distress.

You're Mom. You care about your daughter. It's built in at the factory. It's also built in at the factory that she will start to assert her independence. You want to protect her but life has other plans. She'll grow up. Often they grow up in spite of us.

You also find that loving, even when it hurts, is better than not loving.

So you "feel her pain." Sounds like a good mom to me.

Tom

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Re: Why is my happiness attached to someone else? [Re: scbeck]
      #232567 - 09/22/08 10:14 AM (74.201.16.124)
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Christine-

Teenage years are tough. My ex and I separated when our daughter was 13 and our son was 10. One of the things I said to my ex was “it is not really a good time in our childrens' lives to be divorcing, teenage years are tough enough”. His response “they will be fine”. Ya know, he was right. However, it had nothing to do with him and it took a lot of hard work by my husband and me to make them “fine”.

My daughter went through a wild stage right after we divorced. She basically took advantage of me being so messed up by the things my ex did to me. (She lied, posted a sexual video of herself on the internet, drank and smoked pot-these are the things we found out about there is probably a lot more). My current husband is the one who made me wake up and focus on my children. I was WAY too trusting with my kids. I was a good kid, never caused trouble. I was a virgin until I was 25 (not that I wanted it that way, it is just the way it happened). I hoped my kids would be like me. Unfortunately they are not. My daughter is all about her wants and needs, and screw everybody else. It is sad.

My son, on the other hand, seems to be more compassionate. We have also had some tough times with him (unfortunately involving the law). However, over the past year he has come around. He finally sees his father for the loser he is. He no longer idolizes him. My husband has been a big factor in turning him around. He makes him accountable for his actions. He is always telling me because I was a good kid, I do not have the experiences to draw on. He does. He says there is nothing the kids can do that he hasn’t done in his life. This doesn’t mean he is right all of the time, just more skeptical of their actions.

I can only imagine where my kids would be if I had not met my husband. I know I am a good mother. I ALWAYS put their needs ahead of my own. I am just a little naïve to the ways of the world.


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