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jenhen
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My 8 yr old daughter reluctant to stay with dad
      #233428 - 09/28/08 05:06 PM (75.172.134.92)
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My stbx (I am new, what does that mean?)and I have been separated for 3 months now. My daughter has been unwilling to stay overnight with him. I have asked him to take them camping next weekend as I really need a break. He doesn't interact with the kids much (I have a 12 yr old son too) but apart from that he is an OK dad. Our separation is mutual and we are on fairly good terms.
So should I insist that she goes with him or what. I think counseling might help but not sure where to find a good counselor. I am in north phoenix, az.
I know she will have a great time if she does go. I just don't want to make things worse but need to take care of me too. Her brother is quite happy to go so he would be there too.
Appreciate some help here. Thanks.


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Re: My 8 yr old daughter reluctant to stay with dad [Re: jenhen]
      #233432 - 09/28/08 05:36 PM (75.185.135.104)
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make her go.

my kids cried so hard the first visit that I was crying.

then they cried harder the second visit.

fast forward a year....
and it's 'when do we leave for dad's?'.

it wont always be like this.
it's an ebb and flow.

but if your not concerned for her safety she goes.
otherwise it's not fair to her, your kids, you stbx or yourself.

(wow! i cant believe it's ME saying this stuff. lol)

stbx= soon to be ex spouse.

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Re: My 8 yr old daughter reluctant to stay with dad [Re: jenhen]
      #233459 - 09/28/08 10:17 PM (68.110.66.68)
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Your local courthouse might have a list of approved therapists, look for one who specializes in reunification counseling.

Most fathers, if encouraged, start developing a much closer relationship with teh kdis, interacting in a very masculine, fatherly way with the kids, than before the separation. They just need time and a little encouragement to do thier own thing, and they start to develop a rhythm. Even the most disengaged ones start to pick up the relationships and have fun with them. If you're doing well together, that's the way to work it... it falls apart when one separated parent tries to control the way the other one lives, parents, makes life choices... they start getting angry about whether or not they're allowed to feed the kid McDonalds or stick to a strict vegetarian diet ... whether or not to do homework right after school... choose to introduce the kids to their new friends or not... etc. When parents can relax and let each other do their own thing without getting angry, jealous, punative about it, it works much better.


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Re: My 8 yr old daughter reluctant to stay with dad [Re: taryn]
      #233517 - 09/29/08 12:13 PM (75.172.134.92)
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Taryn and Gigi - THANK YOU.
I hadn't realized until getting your replies how much I have needed 'help'. (I cried!)It is really great to know there are others 'out there' that have been through this and gotten out the other side (well done Taryn!!)
I was seriously wavering over forcing her to go but I can see how important it is now - hope my STBX will be OK with it too.
Thanks.


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Re: My 8 yr old daughter reluctant to stay with dad [Re: jenhen]
      #233524 - 09/29/08 01:22 PM (68.110.66.68)
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You need the spare time. Think of it like this, when he was around, he might not have been very involved, but his mere presence in the household would let you catch a break. You could take a bath when she was a baby and at LEAST trust that he'd not let her tumble down the stairs while you were busy... and as she's gotten older, you could park her in frotn of the TV or doing homework while he was plopped wherever... if anywhere in the house you could at least get out to go shopping or get your hair done in peace.

Divorce makes that stuff harder UNLESS you insist on regular, frequent and reasonable parenting time for him. Newly divorcing mothers who hang onto the kids as if it's going to get them lots more money in child support or somehow thier exes are going to be incompetent parents so they, the mothers, need to control 100% of the kid's lives, after the dust has settled and the mother is alone with no time to herself and 100% control with a teeny, tiny little extra support to show for it... suddenly we've got a mother who has no capacity to get back out in the world and find herself, get a new life, etc. We suddenly have one of those pathetic situations of a mother who is complaining about how the father is never involved... adn she doesnt' really see that all the nastiness that started during the divorce where she accused him of stuff maybe... or just insisted that he didnt' deserve anything more than an occasional weekend with the kids... she doestn' see that this is what created the sitaution where she never gets a break but once every othe week, and during that break the kids get to play with Disney Dad who becomes their most favorite parent (becasue all he has the time to DO with them is have fun and reconnect... he doesnt' have TIME to be a REAL dad any more)... and then they come back all hepped up on sugar and talking about being bored with her because she doesn't do all the expensive fun stuff with them that HE does...

The more you can get him to tak ethem, the more involved you can convince him to be (and you need to totally back off and let him do it as HE wants, whether that means taking them to do stuff that you'd never do with them, or whether it means feeding them food you don't personally approve of)... up to 50-50 time, the closer you get to 50-50 time, the healthier it'll be for ALL of you.

Good luck in convincing him of this and getting him to become more involved. The trick does seem to be to back off and not try to direct him too much with it. Almost every woman I know who tried and failed to get thier exes more involved are also the types of women whose attempts included many "helpful" suggestions that could easily turn off a guy who just wants to be a full-fledged, independent thinkng parent in his OWN right. Most couples who find a way to be satisfied with WHATEVER the other aprent does in their own home... THOSE parents AND THE KIDs seem much better off.


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Re: My 8 yr old daughter reluctant to stay with dad [Re: gigi]
      #233532 - 09/29/08 01:53 PM (75.172.134.92)
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You are so right and it is good to 'see' this early on before I make the mistake of being in control!
My STBX actually wants to spend time with them and is quite upset when they don't want to. But he lets me ask him rather than being proactive. SO now I will see about setting up a regular schedule with him. Easier for the kids too to have a 'plan'.
It is a process. Because he lives in an apartment now the kids don't have their own room. Hopefully soon he will be able to get a house with space for each of them so they can have some of their stuff there. They complain there is nothing to do at his place right now. To be fair he is trying. As I say - it is a process - for all of us.
Thank you - you are all REALLY helping me to NOT make the mistakes.


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Re: My 8 yr old daughter reluctant to stay with dad [Re: jenhen]
      #233552 - 09/29/08 04:44 PM (68.110.66.68)
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Yeah, kids are much better able to handle it if there's a schedule. And talk to him about how this needs to not be thier "choice"... because as parents you simply don't let some things open to choice... whether or not they're allowed to drink alcohol, for example... not a choice. Whether or not they're allowed to stay up till midnight... not a choice... whether or not to go on the family vacation... NOT a choice... whether or not to do homework... whether or not to see thier Dad.

NOT choices.

Simply stuff tehy must do even if they're being stubborn or lazy. I cant' tell you how many times the kids woudl ratehr just sit in front of the TV and veg out than stand up & go to the door, get in the other parents' car and go to the OTHER parents' house to veg out... but they MUST, it's not a choice. They may have all kinds of excuses, that they don't like the chores here or there, that they don't like what's for dinner, whatever... if you LET them make the excuse as if it's a choice, as if they are allowed to have a say in this matter... well, they'll just use the hell out of both of you, they'll stay with him when they're mad at you and stay with you when they're mad at him. If either of you has to discipline the kids, the otehr willb ecome their temporary hero... divide & conquer is the name of the game... IF you're not careful to prevent it.

You're on the right track now, keep travelling that path.

Consistency, a regular schedule that the kids can come to expect... Monday & Tuesday we go home to Dad's Wed & Thursday to Mom's, every other weekend with every other parent... EASY... Mom takes them to ballet on Wed, Dad takes them to piano lessons on Tuesday, and both parents show up for the soccer games on Saturdays to cheer them on. If there's a rhythm to it, they get it and start to look forward to it. At your house they'll get lasagna, and at his maybe meatloaf... maybe Friday nights with him are always takeout pizza, a real treat... and you treat them on YOUR sundays with Ice cream & a movie. You each get something, they get the advantage of a full relationship with BOTH parents, and you each as adults get enough free time to have a real life again before the kids are 18.


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Re: My 8 yr old daughter reluctant to stay with dad [Re: jenhen]
      #234063 - 10/03/08 02:13 AM (68.45.232.173)
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I'm going through the same thing. My 8 yr old doesn't want to go to dad's. It's boring and his dad is tougher than me.

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Re: My 8 yr old daughter reluctant to stay with dad [Re: brave1225]
      #234540 - 10/07/08 07:35 PM (75.172.134.92)
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Well I had a great weekend - all by myself!!!! Once I had decided (thanks to you all) that it was OK to make her go with her Dad, my daughter still complained but much less. Then when she went she mostly had a great time I think - just a couple of 'moments'.
So thanks for all the help and hang in there brave1225 - as always with kids, the clearer you are about your decision the quicker they 'get it' and the easier it is for EVERYONE - including them.


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