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rights of stay at home mothers
      #29192 - 09/19/06 12:15 PM (74.33.6.117)
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I have just discovered this site, and am I gratefull! I just discovered after 16 years of marriage, that I was not alone in the "I just don't love you anymore" syndrome of men in they're early to mid 40's. I'm thinking it's a male menopause thing, and effects men hormonally just like menopause in a woman.
I can't believe that there are no laws to help protect women who are stay at home mothers. My stbx closed our bank account, filed for divorce, informed me that he was no longer giving me any money, even for the most personal of items. He would keep my car in gas so I could get a job and move out. I have been here for 3 months with my children 3,7, 10 and 13,since his announcement and he has come and gone whenever he pleases. How can the law be so lacking in protection of homemakers who give up careers or even a simple job to stay at home with children, then be tossed and disregarded by they're spouse?? Divorce is hard enough emotionally when it is served in a surprise fashion, let alone be abandoned and left penniless on a whim...It seems impossible to overcome the feeling of abandonment and devistation. Does anyone have advise on how to deal with a stbx who is holding all of the cards until a "court date" can be established?
It truley is a court of laws, not justice....


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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: my4kidz]
      #29212 - 09/19/06 12:56 PM (24.15.159.78)
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Have you seen a lawyer yet?...you could contact a womens shelter for some advice...they are a God-send in time of abuse...and that is what he is doing....HE has no right to treat you that way...ck out some of my posts...In illinois and on domestic violence...look around the site...you are not alone...

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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: sunshine]
      #29221 - 09/19/06 01:20 PM (4.165.15.104)
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Do you have an attorney?? If not, get one.

He should be expected to maintain the household as it was until your divorce is final.

Have your lawyer file a motion for emergency support.

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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: justgottabreathe]
      #29225 - 09/19/06 01:31 PM (74.33.6.117)
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Yes, I do have a lawyer, and was told before I got one that if I hired one I would get nothing. So I guess he's at least true to that much. Ive had a lawyer for about 2 1/2 weeks, but even with an emmergency motion, it takes time...more time than I have money to live.

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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: my4kidz]
      #29228 - 09/19/06 01:34 PM (4.165.15.104)
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Do you have friends or family that will help?

I know what it's like. My ex is thousands behind in support and we've only been divorced three months.

How long before your court date?

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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: justgottabreathe]
      #29230 - 09/19/06 01:37 PM (74.33.6.117)
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I only have an 83 year old grandmother in California, but do not want to involve her, she isn't in the greatest of health. As for friends, I do have a few great ones, who by the grace of God have been keeping me afloat financially. I just can't keep involving them, or relying on financial support from these great people too much longer. As for the court date, I have yet to be informed of one.

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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: my4kidz]
      #29286 - 09/19/06 05:05 PM (64.231.71.219)
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You can file for temporary child support until you get a formal court date. Just keep the kids out of it. I know you're angry about your situation, but don't involve them. He may be a jerk, but he's their father and the court is going to involve him in their lives, as you should want him to be.

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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: my4kidz]
      #29714 - 09/21/06 09:33 AM (67.189.211.122)
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Ok I have been married for 16 years also. Only 2 kids and am a stay at home mom. My stbx left 6 months ago after surprising me with "I want a divorce, I never loved you." He was paying most of the bills but then decided not to pay some. I went to a lawyer, I was threatend also not to get a lawyer, that I would end up with nothing then, but went to a lawyer to protect myself. This man I trusted for 16 years was not watching out for me anymore. I had temp support papers filed also. Yes it is taking awhile and he is still fighting the temp papers, but justice will prevail. Judges do not like it when a man leaves without supporting his wife and kids. The best advice is to even ask your lawyer, where you can get financial help from outside. Perhaps food stamps, notify the school so that you can get free school lunches for your kids, etc. Never leave the house with your kids. You stay put and do not let your husband bully you. Mine still does. Now I don't even engage in conversations with him. That was good advice I received from my forum friends. It just makes it that much easier on you not to have to listen to someone put you down and make you feel inferior!

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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: my4kidz]
      #29742 - 09/21/06 11:54 AM (141.131.3.22)
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Alimony laws were designed to protect homemakers. They were relevant back in the day when entering the workforce was not a viable choice for most women. Despite loss of relevance post woman's lib, and their repeal in most states, these laws live on in case law.

Was it not clear to you that your choice to stay at home would make you dependent on your husband. Were you not aware that half of all marriages end in divorce?

You're currently having a cash crisis. I predict you'll be able to fulfill your sense of entitlement by extracting significant alimony from him.


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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: KGrow]
      #29969 - 09/22/06 10:03 AM (67.189.211.122)
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Yes, when WE CHOSE for me to stop working and take care of the kids so that we didn't have a stranger raise them, I knew I would be dependent on my husband. Just as he was dependent on me to raise, clean, feed and look after their well being while HE CHOSE to start his business empire and not have to deal with even tucking the kids in at night.
Ok that being said. I know the divorce statistics, but as we can all contest...I never thought it would happen to us.

SOrry...I am just cranky today even though the judge ruled in my favor financially yesterday. My kids are suffering because their father has become quite bitter and is taking it out on them.

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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: 1narnara1]
      #29981 - 09/22/06 10:42 AM (170.35.224.64)
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[quote]

SOrry...I am just cranky today even though the judge ruled in my favor financially yesterday. My kids are suffering because their father has become quite bitter and is taking it out on them. [/quote]

We often do, when we have to pay more and see them less. I know your Ex doesn't care about that, but I do and he is a Dick!!

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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: 1narnara1]
      #30020 - 09/22/06 12:10 PM (24.8.182.151)
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"Yes, when WE CHOSE for me to stop working and take care of the kids so that we didn't have a stranger raise them, I knew I would be dependent on my husband. Just as he was dependent on me to raise, clean, feed and look after their well being while HE CHOSE to start his business empire and not have to deal with even tucking the kids in at night."

You try to make it sound like this is a balanced and equitable arrangement. Push come to shove, it is not. The homemaker is put in peril if the breadwinner leaves or dies. The breadwinner has viable options if the homemaker leaves or dies.


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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: my4kidz]
      #30185 - 09/22/06 07:11 PM (67.60.90.214)
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I am just confused. My husband has just dropped the bomb, last night during the season premier of Gray's Anatomy...making matters worse...and since I have been married to him for 10 years he has from time to time just up and said...divorce...no reason...just want to go own way....but, when I break down and cry, he just laughs and says, "you know I would never leave you"...But, deep down inside, I always feel like I just got lucky and he changed his mind, actually. Last night, when he said it, for the first time, I screamed like a crazed woman, "What the**** do you think you are saying to me?" You have got to get a lawyer and have signed papers in my hand in two weeks". And I don't want to hear anymore out of you about this or anything else, for that matter. I am done listening to your stupid face, yammer a lot of bull****. He just looked at me like he didn't know where to run. I never acted like that before....But, I am 43 years old, and I am tired...if he isn't happy, and he never is....no matter what is going on....then, tough. He is a grown up. And the way I see it, he made a family and a commitment to me to care for this family, so he doesn't just get off easy thinking he can just quit now that the game isn't fun anymore and go home.....He owes me a future...He owes our four year old son two parents...How dare he think he is entitled to withhold that from us?...That is how I am handling things for now, I don't know what else to do. I am a stay at home mom, and the economy is on his side, not mine. I will not live on welfare to feed his child and work like an ox to support that which he created....I made that mistake already by raising his older two from his ex-girl friend...they now live with her since she is sober and can be responsible...I think he doesn't need me to take care of the kids anymore, and from reading all of your postings, he is 44 and at the age when guys get the idea that they can just throw out the old and bring in the new....well, I am not going down without a fight like he has never seen, and he will have been better off just to stay with the status quo, because this is going to cost him in ways he never imagined....not because of revenge, but because he will have earned everybit of it, but thinking I would just be thrown out quietly like yesterday's garbage...What do you guys think? Seriously?

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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: mcross]
      #30195 - 09/22/06 07:23 PM (67.189.211.122)
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Wow cross. I agree with your feelings. I didn't go after my husband's money. I am not trying to "win". I just know the laws in my state and so does the judge. I live in a 50/50 state. I didn't make the laws.
I understand your bitterness. But make sure you don't let your emotions take over you. You need to step back and think clearly.
Come and vent here anytime you want.

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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: mcross]
      #30239 - 09/22/06 08:14 PM (24.8.182.151)
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Wow. Let us know how that whole vengeance thing works out for you.

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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: mcross]
      #30474 - 09/23/06 12:50 AM (209.221.140.123)
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[quote].He owes me a future...He owes our four year old son two parents... [/quote]
Just out of curiosity, My wife cheated on me and left does that mean she owes me a future, because the judge didn't see it that way and I am paying for her lame ass.

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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: adrenaline]
      #30584 - 09/24/06 12:12 AM (67.60.90.214)
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I am not talking about revenge, I am talking about the weird idea I had that when you enter into a contract with someone, then break it, there are penalties...Yes, I think your wife made a verbal, if not legal, contract with you and she should have to pay a penalty to you for breaking it. I am not even angry, I am just not going to feel all humble saying, "I don't want anything from you, just leave me alone...boohoooo." I have moral rights, if not legal ones, and I did explain to him this evening that despite his opinion of me for the last 10 years, I am not stupid and I do know what I am entitled to, and that I am my children's only protector on this planet, so if he thinks I am going to sit idly by and allow him to break my child's heart, he is going to have to think in a whole new way...I know too many "people" who have been blindsided and thought, "if I play nice, he/she might see what a great person I am and come to his/her senses." That isn't going to happen to me...I have warned him, and now he is thinking twice, I know him, he is not stupid either, and if this marraige is nothing more than a business arrangement, then fine with me, just make sure you do your part,and I promise to do mine...I will cook, clean, raise kids,send presents for appropriate holidays, keep the clothes clean, and if necessary, I will pay my share of the bills. I won't, however, be downtrodden. I know my value and I am a good wife and mother, he can't make me think otherwise, no matter how much he would like to with his little criticisms, and comments. He can not look me in the eye right now, and that is fine with me, as long as he understands what kind of game he is playing.

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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: adrenaline]
      #30590 - 09/24/06 12:39 AM (70.41.246.254)
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Some of the men on this forum have horrible attitudes, and quite frankly, it's getting a little old. This is the WOMEN'S RIGHTS forum, where women should be able to come and talk and not have men that have been burned and want to take it out on other women can come and put in their two cents. That's what your forum, called MEN'S RIGHTS is for. Go there and talk badly about women, and whine about how you have been wronged, and pass judgement on other people, but at least have the decency to respect this one forum on here and keep your "man" attitude out of it.

You want to talk about f'ing RIGHTS? My ex was too busy running around and feeding his p0rn addiction to take care of his wife when she was on bedrest for 3 months in order to save their son's life. That same p0rn addiction that "made" him fail to turn in his resignation to the National Guard in time to avoid a year and a half long deployment, which left his wife alone in a strange city to care for a 3 month old until he was nearly 2 years old. That same "man" verbally and emotionally abused his wife in front of the child. That "man" was given 3 years to clean up his act, become a responsible adult, husband and father and failed to do so. That "man" was fully aware of the consequences of his actions if he chose to continue his behavior (ie divorce). That "man" PAID other people to lie about his son's MOTHER in court to try to obtain custody of a 2 1/2 year old who didn't even KNOW his father. That same "man" would not allow me to work and required that I be at home to take care of our son and further his real estate intersts, which essentially ruined my CAREER. So when I decided to divorce him after years of counseling, giving him hundreds of chances, he tried to take my son from me completely, provides minimal support, I got 4 fricking lousy months of spousal maintenance to "start over", I lost more than my "fair share" because the courts did NOT protect me, and he was able to coerce me into agreements that I did not want to agree to because he had the money, the real estate, and essentially all the cards. You want to talk about RIGHTS??? If my ex wanted to spend time with his child, then he should have been "man" enough to stop his abusive behavior and his philandering. Every time he starts to piss and whine about HIS rights, I think to myself, "well, you should have thought about that while you were abusing his mother, again, and again, and again, and again."

If you men treated your wives half as badly as you treat the women on this forum, then it's no wonder they left you, cheated on you, divorced you. Time to grow up and take responsibility for YOUR part in what happened and stop taking it out on every female on this forum.


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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: adrenaline]
      #30628 - 09/24/06 10:28 AM (67.189.211.122)
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Adrenaline. The fact that your wife cheated on you, Yes I think she owes you something. I think the cheating spouse should have to pay in some way other then morally.
I do think the courts are unfair when it comes to cheating. They essentially put no revelance cheating when it comes to divorce laws.

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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: mcross]
      #30635 - 09/24/06 11:12 AM (24.8.182.151)
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"I am talking about the weird idea I had that when you enter into a contract with someone, then break it, there are penalties..."

Under no-fault divorce, you are not legally obligated to stay in a marriage and there is no penalty, per se, to be paid for leaving.

No fault divorce came about for good reason (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-Fault_divorce#United_States_history). I doubt anyone would seriously want to consider going back.


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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: KGrow]
      #30652 - 09/24/06 01:09 PM (67.189.211.122)
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My state is not a no fault state. It still doesn't matter if my spouse cheated or not. Now you just make up reasons for divorce. It is ridiculous either way. We as a society need some advise and instruction on marriage before we get married. Make it a pre requisite to go to counseling before marriage! Now that is an idea.

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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: 1narnara1]
      #30720 - 09/24/06 06:47 PM (24.8.182.151)
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New York is a no fault state, the only catch is that you have to wait a year to get a no-fault divorce. Most states have a shorter waiting period of 30-90 days.

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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: KGrow]
      #30772 - 09/24/06 09:25 PM (67.189.211.122)
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You don't have to wait a year if my stbx makes up lies about why he wants a divorce. He came up with cruel and Inhumab instances against me. 1. I ate pretzels in bed to keep him from getting sleep at night. 2. I burped on occasion 3. I didn't eat any of his birthday cake (which was 6 days after he said he wanted a divorce by the way). 4. I told him his father was a better father then he'd ever be. etc. Do you see where I am going with this? How ridiculous. The reason I was going to use was he refused sex for at least a year.
But you can't use infidelity.
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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: 1narnara1]
      #30826 - 09/25/06 08:43 AM (65.65.220.172)
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Hello,

My husband is doing the same to me. He's in his fourties and doesn't like his life and suddenly wants to get rid of me. I have agreed to be a stay at home mom and not chase a career because he wanted me to stay home and take care of the house and children. I did because WE decided that he should be the breadwinner. Well, I've done that for fourteen yrs. and he hasn't been able to settle on a carreer. It's been start quit, start this career or that one then quit and try something else for fourteen yrs.! During this time we have moved continuously. Now he's in his 40's and suddenly realizes that he has to plan for retirement. He wants to get rid of me now after I've stayed at home and supported him through all his wanderings. I gave up a career and everything so I could help him. Now he moved the family right across the street from his mother and he doesn't need me anymore-he's got his mother!
He asks me every week just about to get my stuff together and call my mom to come get me. I just tell him no. I'm not leaving without the kids. Then I talk him into not getting a divorce but I don't think it will go on like this forever. He will probably eventualy file no matter how hard I try to make it work.

The thing is he has driven me crazy by all the moving here, moving there, quitting here, quitting there. I've had to be hospitalized. If we divorce I fear that he will get everything! These kids that I've homeschooled and tended to for fourteen yrs. will suddenly be his mother's! They have a nice home here. I told him I'm about ready to take the kids and leave. He says, "This is their home." And it is. But it's not my home anymore.

If I get a job right now the house won't be clean enough and he'll file immediately over that. If I leave he'll file. My sister says I need to talk to legal aid and she gave me the number for it. I called them yesterday. They wanted to know household income. I didn't even know that! Now when he looks at the phone bill he's going to know I called them. There has been physical abuse in the past but none recently. That was four yrs. ago. He's not hitting me anymore but verbally abusing me, telling me I'm fat, using the B word to describe me, calling me lazy and filthy. It seems that no matter how much I clean the house it still isn't clean enough.

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Re: rights of stay at home mothers [Re: my4kidz]
      #118703 - 07/15/07 06:18 PM (71.125.227.56)
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First off let me say YOU ARE NOT ALONE. I have been penniesless as well. I won't bore you with my saga, but the first thing you need to do (if you have'nt already) is retain a lawyer and give him/her the low down on what is happening.
I am looking into filing for welfare and food stamps myself. I am coming down the final stages of my divorce. My ex spent all his money on legal fees, so there will be no alimony for me. He ended up getting phsycial and residental custody of our three kids, so he will not be paying me child support either.
I am in school part-time. I was informed by my lawyer and my counselor that down the road once I have my career going, I will end up owning him alimony and child support.
The first step you should take is filing for food stamps, and welfare.
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