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Trying to help a friend
      #39313 - 10/30/06 10:46 AM (24.17.146.58)
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GRRRR, sitting there reading over my post and <POOF> the power flickers!!

Well, I typed the long version, this time it is the short version LOL.

About a week ago a friend of mine woke up to find a note from his wife that she went to the library and took the kids with her (2 girls under 3 and a newborn son). While that was true it seems, what she went there for was to call her sister who lives down in Vancouver (we are in the Seattle area) to come pick them up. Due to the van my friend owns being parked in a different area of the apt. complex he was confused when she never showed back up with the van for him to go to work.

His wife's family is from one of the former Russian states and he has 3 sisters-in-law, 2 of them local who are of the "you don't leave your husband" mindset and the other one in Vancouver who is not at all that way. When one of the local ones said she didn't know where she was but that she did get a call saying that she had left him and took the kids he was able to figure out where she was. He called the Vancouver brother-in-law at his business and he said that they were indeed there and he wasn't happy about it (he is Persian and also of the "you don't leave your husband mindset).

The friend is really messed up and confused as there is nothing other than bad finances going on. He said she has done this kind of thing 3 times before to smaller degrees and it seems to always happen a few months after they have a kid although it did happen once before that.

They have been married a little over 5 years and while he admits that he does love his wife, at this point all he cares about are the kids. He grew up with a mother who refused to let his father see him (or made it next to impossible) and he doesn't want that for his kids. The Brother-in-Law convinced her to let him talk to his oldest daughter and he felt a lot better. The only conversation between the wife and hubby was basically asking her "Why are you doing this? Why now?" and she basically just said "you can't take care of your family". He said it lasted about 45 seconds before she hung up. Still, he felt a little better because he got to talk to his daughter.

She basically won't talk to him and the Brother-in-law told him she said she was going to apply for Welfare and WiC down there (they already get WIC up here). He called some lawyer who told him it would cost $4000 for a divorce and when he mentioned the welfare thing he was told that he needed to file some kind of paper up here or something to keep her within a certain distance and that if she gets welfare down there FIRST he will be stuck driving 2 hours+ each way if he wants to see his kids. I don't quite understand it all and he is just overwhelmed. He doesn't have that kind of money, doesn't even know if divorce is where this is going to go. He just doesn't want to lose his kids.

So last night he tells me that the Brother-in-Law told him that they are no longer there and that noone is telling him anything because they know it will get back to the husband. So now he has NO clue where they are and she has essentially kidnapped the kids. He is so distraught it makes me feel so bad for him. He doesn't know what to do to protect his relations with the kids which is all that really matters to him at this point. She made this decision, the kids didn't and that is killing him.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Point me in the right direction to help him protect what is important to him - his relationship with his kids. The rest can be sorted out eventually but he is just terrified of the thought of never seeing his kids again.

Thanks a bunch!!!

Todd


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Re: Trying to help a friend [Re: Toddly]
      #39333 - 10/30/06 11:59 AM (170.35.224.63)
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He has to do something now. He need to go get the kids he has as much rights to them as she does. He needs to file temperary custody orders with them in his possesion. If she has already filed he is screwed but he needs to get the kids closer to seattle. If he fights this all the way through and the kids stay in Vancouver he will be screwed. get a lawyer right now. She cannot keep the kids with no visitation see the kids as much as possible. IF you get screwed and she gets to stay in Vancouver make sure he puts the burden of transportation in writing on the mom. If she doesn't pay for transportation she will be in contempt. Get off this board right now and get a lawyer.

If you can't afford one you will need to beg steal or borrow he has the under hand right now and will get nothing without a lawyer and the longer he waits the worse off for him.

Call Galliger in Seattle Divorce attorneys for men <-- that is a really a joke but being a man in WA these are really the only lawyers left that will represent men in a female state.

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Re: Trying to help a friend [Re: adrenaline]
      #39348 - 10/30/06 01:01 PM (24.17.146.58)
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Thanks Mike (I think I saw your name was Mike in another thread). LOL, I love the "get off this board and get a lawyer". Keep in mind that "I" am not the one in need of a lawyer. It isn't MY situation (thankfully). I just feel really bad for him and am trying to help find information for him. I know his financial situation pretty well (as we have loans out to them trying to help get them out from under the 'Payday Loan' places) and that is why this urps me so bad. I know he has no money. He can't simply pony up a few grand for a lawyer. As my wife has said in the past when talking about homelessness, there's a large population out there that are just one missed paycheck from being homeless. That is kind of how he got into his financial situation. Bought a van and things looking good. Next paycheck will finally get them about $200 put into savings to start..... BAM! $600 worth of car repairs and nowhere to get the extra money so he did the payday loan thing. Then because of that he was short on cash for the electric so he went to a different payday loan place and it snowballed from there until he was paying 3 different places.

The thing about the filing of temporary custody orders "with them in his possession" is that he doesn't even know where SHE is let alone the kids. She has essentially kidnapped her own kids (WHY ISN'T THAT A CRIME?). Other than her sister I mentioned, the only one who knows where she and the kids are at would be HER at the moment.

I appreciate your reply though. I know that things need to be done quickly but like I said, if she isn't talking to him, and only one other person may know where they are, it is tough to go forward.

I feel so bad for him. I know how hopeless and helpless I feel FOR him. I can't imagine what it must be like to actually BE him.


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Re: Trying to help a friend [Re: Toddly]
      #39382 - 10/30/06 02:20 PM (170.35.224.63)
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She has essentially kidnapped her own kids (WHY ISN'T THAT A CRIME?).

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I think it is a crime and you should call the cops. It will be the first step and real documented proof. The judge will not look kindly to that. Also I don't know much about that, but I think if he could file missing persons report. I think that is a good way to go. Get the police looking too.

I wouldn't dissmiss that. If he gives up the judge will discount his credibility. Call the police I am serious. The worst that will happen is they will say no, but if you can file a report you do have a legal timeline to take to court.

Get the kids back.

I know it is not you personally but it is easier to respond as it is you. Just relay the message accordingly.

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