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WolRon
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Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden? [Re: mistake#2]
      #182022 - 02/28/08 01:18 AM (66.242.81.47)
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"[quote]Regarding the clothes: Here's my situation and I haven't had any issues with clothes.
I and my ex split the cost . . . the clothes get 'mixed up' between the houses, but no one cares. And why should we?
Simple. [/quote]

That works for you because of the 50/50 arrangement and the ages of the kids."

It doesn't ONLY work for me. I don't even see how the ages of the children have anything to do with it. As far as the 50/50, it could still work with other ratios. The parent with lesser time, just gets that percentage of clothing. 25/75 split?, Buy 4 articles of clothing, keep three articles, send one to ex (with bill). It's only a problem if the parents make it a problem.

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Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden? [Re: WolRon]
      #182209 - 02/28/08 03:41 PM (71.100.164.132)
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[quote) I don't even see how the ages of the children have anything to do with it. As far as the 50/50, it could still work with other ratios. The parent with lesser time, just gets that percentage of clothing. 25/75 split?, Buy 4 articles of clothing, keep three articles, send one to ex (with bill). It's only a problem if the parents make it a problem. [/quote]

Age matters because kids at age 7 & under usually able to pack their own and keep track of it. Over that age, they can help make sure items are returned.
As far as other time scenarios...your right, if the parents make it a problem, then it's a problem...however with that being said, it only takes ONE PARENT to make it a problem by not returning ANY clothing or returning clothing 2 sizes too small and not appropriate for the weather in replace of the appropriate clothing.


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Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden? [Re: mistake#2]
      #182217 - 02/28/08 03:56 PM (68.110.69.37)
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Age also matters as I have seen, teens care more about waht they wear and will get downright angry at a parent who prevents them from taking thier favorite outfit to their other parent's house.

When my stepkid's mother first tried to pull the nonsense of not allowing them to bring their packed bags to our house, we simply bought them clothing, and continued ot buy more as we saw fit. The first ENTIRE WARDROBE replacement was cheap junk that the kids didn't much like, but at least they had stuff here for the times thier mother pulled this trick on them, and she had them KIND of convinced that since she paid for it, she got to keep it at HER house and let them take it only if SHE agreed to it. THey KIND of understood. But then we started shopping with them for holidays and birthdays and they started getting really COOL clothing here, and when they asked of COURSE it was THEIR clothing so they could do with it as they saw fit... what were WE going to do with it when they were gone, and they were responsible (old) enough to handle it and bring it back if they wnated to wear it here. So not only did we get to be the generous ones, but we got to be the ones who they KNOW are not trying to hurt their relationship wtih the other parent, and we go tot be the ones who are COOL enough to buy the stuff they prefer, and whenever we see them these days, they're wearing something we got them.

It's funny how as they get older and responsible enough to pack their own clothing, CHOOSE their own clothing, etc... they start to see through their mother's alienating stuff. Age really DOES matter. And as much as it matters in the kids' ability to help otu with this stuff, it also matters in thier ability to see the truth of how we got to this push-pull tug of war over their lcothing... it matters in thier ability to interpret what has happened and to control thier own reaction to it.

When it started, they were too young to do the entire job of packing for themselves... though if they'd been trained at a younger age, they could have taken on a task or two of remembering to bring some of the stuff back. But their mother put her foot in it when she entirely stepped in front of them, not allowing them to even take the luggage which they had packed (with our help on what to pack), out of the house. Sadly, for OUR kids to handle this, they had to get old enough to stand up to their mother and tell her that she was wrong to not allow them to take thier own luggage and clothing to thier father's house for a vacation... but they did, they got old enough to do that stuff and they are now packing for themselves for our place, packing again to go back to her place, choosing thier own clothing (with a little bit of guidance about fit & quality), and remembering to toss things they're not taking back to thier mother's house into the laundry basket so that the laundry fairy will get it clean before they come back. Next step in their aging process, revealing the laundry fairy's true identity and getting them to help in this chore as well... after all, if they REALLY cant' find a college within a 1500 mile radius of parents, they're going to have to learn to do thier own laundry also.

It's amazing how quickly they start to grow up and learn to do more stuff when you have worked out a plan for making it about them (where you are doing it all for them at first, and they learn to take over part of it for themselves by watching what you do) and not so much about the fight that thier other parent wants to wage with YOU!


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Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden? [Re: mistake#2]
      #182241 - 02/28/08 06:53 PM (72.164.214.98)
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"Age matters because kids at age 7 & under usually able to pack their own and keep track of it. Over that age, they can help make sure items are returned.
As far as other time scenarios...your right, if the parents make it a problem, then it's a problem...however with that being said, it only takes ONE PARENT to make it a problem by not returning ANY clothing or returning clothing 2 sizes too small and not appropriate for the weather in replace of the appropriate clothing."

I think you are missing the point. You are still talking about EXCHANGING clothes. I suggested NOT exchanging clothes. There's really no reason that any parent can't do what I suggested.

As far as some kids (like teens) wanting certain items at the 'other' house, let them take them. Let it be the child's responsibility. If they want to drag it back and forth, that's their prerogative. If they complain that something was left behind because they forgot, tell them they'll have to be more responsible and remember next time. Nothing at all wrong with that. The parents aren't involved, and don't have to be.

And I still don't see how age matters...

Edited by WolRon (02/28/08 06:58 PM)


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Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden? [Re: WolRon]
      #182271 - 02/28/08 09:29 PM (68.110.69.37)
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And under your plan, what you do if theyr'e sending the kids back to your place in old, trashy or whatever clothing, is you take the clothes off of them and put the old, trashy or whatever clothes back on when you return them. It's not like you have to afford a FULL wardrobe, just the part that they need when they're with you.

THe only remaining problem is the sporting wardrobe for the extracurriculars while they're with you and the equipment. I have a friend whose ex gets a hold of a shin guard or shoulder pad and will never let go till the next visit to HER place... too bad most of the football practices take place when the kid is at HIS place. THis stuff is not cheap! Not like buying the cheap stuff at target like we did for the teens when the mother wouldn't let them take their suitcases... Grrr!!!


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Re: Is swapping clothes for visitation a burden? [Re: gigi]
      #182295 - 02/29/08 03:58 AM (66.242.81.47)
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"And under your plan, what you do if theyr'e sending the kids back to your place in old, trashy or whatever clothing, is you take the clothes off of them and put the old, trashy or whatever clothes back on when you return them."

NO, NO, NO. Why does everyone turn this into HIS clothes and HER clothes? It's THEIR clothes (the kids). Don't worry about what they wear! They'll wear whatever they feel like putting on that day.

There are no 'nice' clothes and 'rags'. Both homes share all the clothes. If one parent buys clothes, he/she splits the articles up with the other parent. Both sides get NEW clothes.

Wow, I can't believe all of the selfishness over childrens clothing...

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