I wish that was reasonable. But you cant reason with someone who has none. We are affraid she is just continueing the cycle with her daugher. She grew up the same way and her mother did the same thing she is doing to her own child. As a parent isnt it a goal to end the cycle with one self and not let our own child experience the wrongs we have? Hopefully her duaghter will be different because she has her father and us to show a normal life as much as possible of positive and loving home. Its like talking to a wall when my husband has tried to explain our gaols and our worries. All we get is back lash and her pointing the finger. Thats why I am here.. I have been so depressed of the past couple of days..and i am glad to have great suggestions and advice.