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Re: Due process is alive and well int Texas
      05/24/08 02:32 AM (68.88.205.158)
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They have whole instruction setups on how to manipulate the system.

You didn't think that these men were magically rich and able to support all these wives & kids on their own, did you?
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Yes, I did. Most of what I have read on the subject suggested that these men were involved, among other things, in ownership of one of the corporations benefitting from massive mishandling of Iraqi war spending by the government--although this is not to say they did anything dishonest. I have also seen clips of the numerous enterprises in which the "ranch" in Texas was engaged. Add to this the historical reality that many original LDS polygamous families were able to thrive with no governmental assistance at all, and the theory that this is all just a welfare scam doesn't quite hold water.

In any case, this sounds at best like a "chicken and the egg" story: which came first, the polygamy which resulted in welfare or a desire to get welfare, which resulted in polygamy? What difference does it make, if the children who cannot be fed but by the state are the result of many individual acts of fornication, in many seperate locations, or massive fornication in one place, particularly when it can plausibly be argued that this is only in obedience to a particular creed?

No, Gigi, they can't have it both ways. The only equitable solution is, as in most divorce law, the one which is politically non-viable; they must either cut off welfare for ALL parents, men or women, who have children without being legally married, and remove the children if necessary, or else incarcerate BOTH PARENTS until or unless they can assume their responsibilities, either married or unmarried, equally providing for support of their children--unless rape is alleged and proven. What seems to be lacking is a law which will clearly require this, and it will continue to be lacking.

Edited by jbar (05/24/08 05:16 AM)

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